Any new info?!

[kam]

Thanks for the update, still waiting patiently:thumbup:

[Stratos]

. Still don't have the pilot's Reflex sight, but once again this was planned to be implemented after open beta release.

 

 

Thanks for the update, I was worried too, concerning Reflex sight is there any chnace it can be added in the time you have until beta release? No idea of how we can aim without them.

Thanks.

[Krebs20]

@Stratos "Pilots"

[EagleEye]

Unfortunately we can't release any media until certain papers are signed. Some PR to raise interest and appease curiosity is not worth a big lawsuit in the long run. Sooner or later, even if only after release, there will be plenty of screenshots and videos to go around. I do understand your frustration as a fan, having been in your position for many years before, but again, there are practical considerations that overrule our desire to release information.

 

This probably came up earlier in this forum, but given how Bell Textron goes after perceived copyright infringement, BST has to be very careful:

http://gaming.operationreality.org/2012/01/17/ea-sues-textron-and-bell-helicopter-to-use-images-in-battlefield-3-bf3-for-free/

http://kotaku.com/5874076/ea-invokes-first-amendment-protection-for-video-games-in-trademark-dispute-with-helicopter-maker

Don`t know that still there were papers to be signed. I understand now and need to be more patient.(but it`s so hard for a helohead).:thumbup:

Edited February 18, 2013 by EagleEye

[71st_Mastiff]

Wow and knowing California lawsuits can take up to 10 years. Hope this doesn't happen. :(

[Rammit]

All waiting patiently....patient.....PATIENT and calm.....CALM....CALM :wallbash:

[LNR212]

+1 Rammit :megalol:

[SkateZilla]

Lockheed Martin also had a Reputation in 2004 with restricting the use of "Lockheed" or the use of "Starfighter" "Hercules" or Modelling any of their Airframes via License Claims.

 

I believe the Gov. Overruled Lockheed Martin, Citing that Airframes developed for Armed forces were not allowed to be Licensed, or some thing along those lines.

 

Ironically Lockheed Martin goes on to Buy an API for FSX, after they fought with them regarding 3rd Party Aircraft in FS2002/2004/FSX, they also Fought with Thirdwire

Edited February 18, 2013 by SkateZilla

[Tango]

The designation "F-16" etc.. is NOT protected, but to say "Fighting Falcon" *IS*. F-15E is OK, but F-15E "Strike Eagle" is NOT. People need to be careful.

 

A quick e-mail at the start of the project can always help. Best to find out early than day before release. Who knows - you might even get technical assistance if you ask nicely. ;) :)

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[NRG-Vampire]

I agree with Matt:

"If the U.S. Government has funded (tax payer money) the development of an aircraft, then in my opinion, the manufacturer has no moral rights - to demand license fees from sim developers"

 

It's absurd and outrageous :disgust:

IMO moreover: weapon and aircraft manufacturers would have to pay fees to sim developers and video game makers for acquainting and advertising their products

 

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/02/15/the-flare-path-broach-and-clear/

 

RPS: Do you believe aircraft manufacturers have the moral right to demand license fees from sim developers?

 

Matt: If the U.S. Government has funded (tax payer money) the development of an aircraft, then in my opinion, the manufacturer has no moral rights.

Edited February 18, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[Wags]

Please don't put quotes around wording I did not use.

[NRG-Vampire]

i apologize

edited

[rjetster1]

I agree with Matt:

"If the U.S. Government has funded (tax payer money) the development of an aircraft, then in my opinion, the manufacturer has no moral rights - to demand license fees from sim developers"

 

It's absurd and outrageous :disgust:

IMO moreover: weapon and aircraft manufacturers would have to pay fees to sim developers and video game makers for acquainting and advertising their products

 

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/02/15/the-flare-path-broach-and-clear/

 

RPS: Do you believe aircraft manufacturers have the moral right to demand license fees from sim developers?

 

Matt: If the U.S. Government has funded (tax payer money) the development of an aircraft, then in my opinion, the manufacturer has no moral rights.

 

I do not think all military vehicles are designed through 100% public money... plus I would think that most copyrights usually stay with the companies responsible for the initial design. Derivative works are technically illegal without the copyright owner's permission, but definitely a grey area. In the entertainment world we use products all the time on TV; we stay away from most Trademarks by covering logos, but for most companies as long as you are using their product appropriately, it’s free advertising for them and great PR. Technically they should be paying the accurate 3d modelers for making such great products for people to use.. Pursuing small companies trying to make a profit and not violating trademark policies by not showing company logos is silly. They use to do this with plastic models back in the day. The flip side to this is that copyright laws do keep many of us employed. Crazy world

[SkateZilla]

They cannot claim license fees on a military designation. So F-16, F-15, A-10, F-14, F-18, A-6, A-7 etc are safe to use,

 

But if you use "F-16 Falcon, F-15 Eagle, F-18 Hornet" etc etc, they try to slap you with a license claim, as the names of those airframes are given by the manufacturing company and not the Military Branch.

 

or some such political hocus pocus.

[RedRain]

Just wondering if the Dodosim Huey was stalled for the same reason ? Though the Jetranger made it past the drawing board ?

Edited February 19, 2013 by RedRain

[ebabil]

i have entered this topic, dreaming becoming a uh-1 pilot, but i feel myself as a lawyer now lol

[EvilBivol-1]

If you look into the case Wags linked to earlier, you will find the issue is not at all limited to designation names, but also the appearance of the helicopters themselves.

[Raven68]

If you look into the case Wags linked to earlier, you will find the issue is not at all limited to designation names, but also the appearance of the helicopters themselves.

It's like stepping through a minefield huh EB? ;)

[Pizzicato]

We had a nightmare working on [PROTOTYPE 2] as Activision had had some legal issues with aircraft in the Modern Warfare games and wouldn't let us use Apaches or Blackhawks in the game. We spent week reworking and resubmitting the models to Activision's legal department to ensure that our replacements were far enough away from the look of the real aircraft to avoid any legal actions.

 

Me and the Studio Head, who are both really interested in military aviation, hated the process with a passion. :(

[SkateZilla]

If you look into the case Wags linked to earlier, you will find the issue is not at all limited to designation names, but also the appearance of the helicopters themselves.

 

Lockheed did the same thing, They didnt want the F-104 in any Sim NAME, SHAPE, or Any Representation, Period.

 

Developers were forced to remove it, over license claims.

(Thirdwire was the most well known at the time, StrikeFightersProject1)

 

Later on Lockheed was challenged, and lost.

 

F-104s have since been added back to said game, minus the Starfighter in the displayname.

 

The Uh-1H is different, as it's not only a Military Vehicle, it's Mass produced for Civilian Services (Medical, Fire, Transport, Sight Seeing etc) as well.

Edited February 19, 2013 by SkateZilla
Removed Babble.

[PilotMi8]

Beginning to make an installer DCS:UH-1H Huey

 

Beginning to make an installer. Will not be long :smilewink:

[HungaroJET]

Beginning to make an installer. Will not be long :smilewink:

 

^...Now We Have Agreed...

Great :thumbup: Fantastic News :thumbsup:

[Raven68]

Beginning to make an installer. Will not be long :smilewink:

 

Please dont play with us!! It's been an emotional roller coaster enough already! :cry: :D

[BIGNEWY]

Beginning to make an installer. Will not be long :smilewink:

 

awesome !!

 

legal issues sorted ?? as the picture says Bell in the top right :)

[Raven68]

awesome !!

 

legal issues sorted ?? as the picture says Bell in the top right :)

 

Just noticed it myself BIGNEWY. I guess congrats are in order for Belsimtek!! :cheer3nc::clap::clap: