Mattressi Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 I've bought the Su-25A, since everyone seems to think it's great (it sounds fun - simplified avionics, better handling than the 25T) and now I'm trying to work out whether to get the A-10A. Most threads on here seem to be negative, but they're mostly about bugs. So, assuming that all bugs will be fixed; is there any reason to get the A-10A when I already have the 10C? I like simplified avionics (steam gauges rather than electronics), but I'm not sure whether this is enough of a difference for me. Is there any other difference? Is the performance any different? Does the 10A fly better/worse, have different armament options or a different "play-style" (for lack of a better word) compared to the 10C? Or is it essentially the same plane, but without the electronics?
lxsapper Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 I have both (with FC3), and I like to take the A-10A for a spin. But I think if you are unsure if you should get it. My two cents are that if it was a DCS level aircraft it would probably be worth it, since it is not if you do not load a TGP on your A-10C and refraim from usinf the TAD you will be limited to much of the A-10A mission profile. There are no other significant diferences between the two aircraft apart from some minor diferences of a few stations loading diferences. If the A was a DCS level aircraft you would have some other things like the weapon control panel, Laser guided bombs with the pave penny, wich is not implemented in the C and is something I would really like to try.
Mattressi Posted September 11, 2013 Author Posted September 11, 2013 I have both (with FC3), and I like to take the A-10A for a spin. But I think if you are unsure if you should get it. My two cents are that if it was a DCS level aircraft it would probably be worth it, since it is not if you do not load a TGP on your A-10C and refraim from usinf the TAD you will be limited to much of the A-10A mission profile. There are no other significant diferences between the two aircraft apart from some minor diferences of a few stations loading diferences. If the A was a DCS level aircraft you would have some other things like the weapon control panel, Laser guided bombs with the pave penny, wich is not implemented in the C and is something I would really like to try. Damn, I was hoping it would be a little different, rather than just an A-10C with less features. Thanks for the reply. So it basically sounds like it's just a module for people who don't already own the A-10C module - something cheaper, but with less features. I guess I'll hold off for now, then.
Griffin Posted September 11, 2013 Posted September 11, 2013 I have the A-10C but I'm not really interested in learning it and my time is short for that too. However A-10A was the answer to me. I love the Warthog and will love to take it for a spin from time to time, while not dedicating all my time to it. Now that you can get it for the price of a pint from Steam, it was an instant grab! Unless you are seasoned in the C-Hog and have a lot of time to fly it, you should get this. Otherwise no other point I suppose. 1
Windsortheater Posted September 13, 2013 Posted September 13, 2013 I have the A-10C but I'm not really interested in learning it and my time is short for that too. However A-10A was the answer to me. I love the Warthog and will love to take it for a spin from time to time, while not dedicating all my time to it. Now that you can get it for the price of a pint from Steam, it was an instant grab! Unless you are seasoned in the C-Hog and have a lot of time to fly it, you should get this. Otherwise no other point I suppose. agreed. a10a = realistic sim without the "study"
monkie Posted September 13, 2013 Posted September 13, 2013 Gotta collect them all. +1 Sager Laptop, i7-6700k 4.00GHz, 16GB RAM, GTX 980M, 1920x1080, TIR 5, Windows 10
Yurgon Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 I like simplified avionics (steam gauges rather than electronics), but I'm not sure whether this is enough of a difference for me. Is there any other difference? Is the performance any different? Does the 10A fly better/worse, have different armament options or a different "play-style" (for lack of a better word) compared to the 10C? Or is it essentially the same plane, but without the electronics? I think the answer should be twofold. The part about the difference between DCS: A-10C Warthog and A-10A: DCS Flaming Cliffs I can't answer because I don't have the latter. But I think I can shed some light on the difference between the A and C in real life. They share pretty much the same airframe, so performance-wise they should be next to identical. The real difference is in avionics, targeting equipment and data-link. I recently read "A-10s over Kosovo" about the '99 deployment of A-10As over former Yugoslavia, performing AFAC, strike and CSAR missions. These guys basically relied on their eyes and gyro stabilized binoculars to find and identify targets - that's right, they used binoculars from inside the cockpit! Plotting coordinates in-flight was done with the help of (printed) maps that pilots had to unfold and shuffle. Handing targets to other aircraft was mostly done by describing landscape-features and talking those other pilot's eyes onto the target, having them confirm unique features to make sure they were indeed looking at the intended target. Reading that book gave me a huge amount of appreciation for all the updates the A-10C has received over the A model. Maps with different scales are all available within the TAD (Tactical Awareness Display - an electronic, colored, moving map). Coordinates can be read directly from the TAD in whatever format desired (Lat/Long or MGRS). Even better, friendly units' position are automatically overlayed on the TAD by using the data-link capability, and with other aircraft in the same flight, even their SPI (Sensor Point of Interest - basically where their sensors are loooking at) can be displayed on the TAD, just like JTACs can magically send targets right into the Hog's TAD. The amount of information available on this instrument alone is absolutely amazing compared to what pilots used just a decade ago. Then there's the TGP with its zoom and IR capabilities, ground stabilized, with automatic target tracking at the flick of a switch. And these are just some of the updates in the C-model (and "our" C is already outdated compared to active service Warthogs). While the aircraft looks almost identical to the A-model, it is massively superior. That does mean that it's more difficult to learn but also more capable in finding and destroying enemy units. Add to that the fact that A-10C Warthog is more of a study sim than A-10A: Flaming Cliffs and you may have an answer concerning which of the two you prefer. One more thing: The A-10C features an entirely new HOTAS (Hands On Throttle And Stick) design. It's an integral part of the aircraft really. The easiest way to enjoy this at home is by using the Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, which is Plug'n Play with A-10C Warthog. Of course other HOTAS work as well, and there are lots of configurations available, but it's probably not as straight-forward as actually pressing TMS forward short on your stick for TMS forward short in the simulated Hog. :)
Donglr Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 [...] So, assuming that all bugs will be fixed [...] Alot to learn you have, young padawan! :noexpression: Lets face it: if you have the C you will just be frustrated, because you cannot click anything in the A like you know it from the C. If you want simplified avionics, np. Just don't use the TAD and TGP and only rely on your MAV seekers as a sensor. All the analog gauges from the A are still there in the C, except the armament panel, who cares. I don't have the A, because I see zero point in it. I flew the A back in the days in Flaming Cliffs and the C we now have is a god-sent. Do they fly the same? Dunno, they are the same airframe and engines, C is maybe heavier due to more electronics. On the other hand I'm not sure if ED put as much effort into the A's flight model as they did for the C.
GeorgeLKMT Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 On the other hand I'm not sure if ED put as much effort into the A's flight model as they did for the C. Flight models should be identical. Why would they create A's FDM from scratch when it's basically the same aircraft. ■ L-39C/ZA Czech cockpit mod ■ My DCS skins ■
Donglr Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 Flight models should be identical. Why would they create A's FDM from scratch when it's basically the same aircraft. could, should, would - Who knows what they did? Maybe they just took the Flaming Cliffs A10A and put a new price tag on it. But even if it has the good, detailed FM of the C, I still see no point in buying that thing
MemphisBelle Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 Flight models should be identical. Why would they create A's FDM from scratch when it's basically the same aircraft. I can agree with that. I have flown the A for a couple hours the last days (from my FC3 Module which is the same as the standalone A-10A), and I´ve to say that I was really impressed. The flightmodels are the same as far as I can say it. The SU-25 have the same level of detail as well...and I really hope that the other fastmovers from FC3 will follow. BlackSharkDen | BSD Discord | DCS Tutorial Collection
Spetz Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 I was never interested in the A model before, and really never flew it despite having it in FC3. I picked up A10c when it was first available but it sat forever. Finally I fired up the C and that's all I fly now. Personally, I prefer the clickable cockpit, higher fidelity etc etc of the C. Don't think I'll ever touch the A.
WildBillKelsoe Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 save your money... AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
Scarecrow Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 Yeah you can pretty much simulate the A experience by losing the TGP and the TAD. Then its just you, the HSI, and Mark I eyeball. This is also about the time when I lose all SA and get nailed every time;)
Windsortheater Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 For the sale price its worth it. When i have 2 hrs i play a10c. When i have 30min i play a10a.
AtaliaA1 Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 @ Yurgon Your description is intriguing, I have to read "A10s over Kosovo" now. Nice and you took from it (It seems) just what the author intended. attributable to your intellect I assume. This was a Boutique Builder iBuypower rig. Until I got the tinker bug again i7 920 @3.6Mhz 12Gig Corsair XMS3 ram 1600 Nvidia 760 SLi w/4Gig DDR5 Ram Intel 310 SSD HDD 160 Gb + Western Digital 4Terabyte HDD Creative SB X-Fi HD Audio Logitech X-530 5.1 Surround Speaker System Dual Acer 32"Monitors. PSU 1200 w Thermaltake Win10 64Bit.
Yurgon Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 @ Yurgon Your description is intriguing, I have to read "A10s over Kosovo" now. Nice and you took from it (It seems) just what the author intended. attributable to your intellect I assume. AFAIK it's available for free (and legal :)) if you don't mind reading on the screen. One link I found was this one: http://www.scribd.com/doc/140933190/Haave-CF-and-Haun-PM-Eds-2003-A-10s-Over-Kosovo-Air-University-Press
Cotoi Posted November 14, 2013 Posted November 14, 2013 Flight models should be identical. Why would they create A's FDM from scratch when it's basically the same aircraft. pls correct me if I am wrong but FC and DCS are not developed by the same team, so the flight model may not be the same. As for the t.o... I got the A10C and A10A as well so I can play with my clan untill I will learn to fly the A10C, other than that, I don't see any reason why you should get the A10A; if you want to have all modules in DCS fust buy the FC3. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] i7 5820K, 32GB DDR4, 3x250GB SSD RAID0, nVidia GTX 1080, Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle, Virpil WarBird base with Thrustmaster Warthog grip, MFG Crosswind rudder pedals - 2484.
Pikey Posted November 14, 2013 Posted November 14, 2013 No one mentioned this, but FC3 is meant for a different genre of players that want to get to the action fast without having to spend months reading 600+ pages of manual and study. The A-10A release from ED is designed for that market to be accessible for new players who love the feel of a convincing flight model and want to experience the A10 without an 8 minute startup routine. This is borne from the success of the fighter planes like F-15 and SU-27 in multiplayer. Having said that there is an intersection of player mindsets here - I am included. PvP multiplayer on low avionics fidelity for the sake of simplicity and pure fun. It's an undeniably attractive route for some as the sales clearly say. So the answer is really up to each individual once they understand what the benefits and pitfalls are. ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING *
HiJack Posted November 14, 2013 Posted November 14, 2013 If you have the A-10C and is happy with that then there is no need to buy the A-10A. The A-10A is still very buggy when it comes to the AGM missiles also.
Lulac Posted November 15, 2013 Posted November 15, 2013 absolutely NOT!!! I bought every module from DCS and every edition of FC...I'm so disappointed in FC that I very, very rarely fly FC aircraft... [sIGPIC]D:\avioni\razno\potpis 1 orao.jpg[/sIGPIC]
pappavis Posted November 16, 2013 Posted November 16, 2013 +1 Gotta collect all DCS modules. met vriendelijke groet, Михель "умный, спортсмен, комсомолетс" [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] [TABLE]SPECS: i9-9900K 32gigs RAM, Geforce 2070RTX, Creative XFi Fata1ity, TIR5, Valve Index & HP Reverb, HOTAS Warthog, Logitech G933 Headset, 10Tb storage.[/TABLE]
Flogger23m Posted December 1, 2013 Posted December 1, 2013 No one mentioned this, but FC3 is meant for a different genre of players that want to get to the action fast without having to spend months reading 600+ pages of manual and study. The A-10A release from ED is designed for that market to be accessible for new players who love the feel of a convincing flight model and want to experience the A10 without an 8 minute startup routine. This is borne from the success of the fighter planes like F-15 and SU-27 in multiplayer. Having said that there is an intersection of player mindsets here - I am included. PvP multiplayer on low avionics fidelity for the sake of simplicity and pure fun. It's an undeniably attractive route for some as the sales clearly say. So the answer is really up to each individual once they understand what the benefits and pitfalls are. Actually, the release of A-10A was to do away with the LOMAC install. Otherwise, just grab them all for $50 under Flaming Cliffs 2 + a $10 LOMAC install if you don't have it from Amazon/Ubisoft.com. I am happy with FC3, assuming the MIG-29A/G/S and Su-33 get the same treatment as the rest of them.
Darkwolf Posted December 4, 2013 Posted December 4, 2013 A-10A makes sense if you want to experience cold war era warfare. Similar airframe, really different gameplay. You don't have all the fancy toyz to help you find a target. So you need to fly low and slow, use your mk1 eye ball and try to not get shot at too easily. Mav' seeker help a little bit too. If you really like "electronic things" - you can fly A10C and stay on it. If you like the old CAS way, you can buy A10-A. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] PC simulator news site. Also....Join the largest DCS community on Facebook :pilotfly:
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