Raven68 Posted March 3, 2020 Posted March 3, 2020 The OB/EA model is good for ED to bring in early revenue. I'm sure most of their income depends on making new content available. Yes there is something to be said about quality and stable software otherwise we are not able to play and enjoy. If they just focused on bug squashing and constant cleanup with nothing new to offer how long do you think they would stay in business? There simply has to be a balance to stay afloat as a company. Intel i5-9600K @ 3.7GHz; Gigabyte Z370XP SLI Mobo; G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4080 16GB 256-Bit GDDR6; Thermaltake Water 3.0 Certified Liquid Cooling System Windows 11 Professional HP Reverb G2 /TrackIR 5 in case VR dies; Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog w/ Thrustmaster T-Flight Rudder Pedals
Zimmerdylan Posted March 3, 2020 Posted March 3, 2020 Some of you guys aren't getting it and I fail to understand why. If you want a stable DCS with releases that are complete and tested, you stay with the stable DCS version. You get exactly what you want. You say you re willing to wait for the complete version. That's what stable DCS is. If you agree to, and volunteer to use the BETA version, you knew exactly what you signed on for. You are getting an incomplete version that has not been completely tested. It's what you agreed to. It all makes perfect sense to me. I have BETA and I fly it to see what ED is doing with it's updates. It's not always pretty but it tells me what direction DCS is headed in and gives me an idea of upcoming improvements. I have stable for when I want to just chill and enjoy. It seems that some of you are just happy when you aren't happy.
imacken Posted March 3, 2020 Posted March 3, 2020 Some of you guys aren't getting it and I fail to understand why. If you want a stable DCS with releases that are complete and tested, you stay with the stable DCS version. You get exactly what you want. You say you re willing to wait for the complete version. That's what stable DCS is. If you agree to, and volunteer to use the BETA version, you knew exactly what you signed on for. You are getting an incomplete version that has not been completely tested. It's what you agreed to. It all makes perfect sense to me. I have BETA and I fly it to see what ED is doing with it's updates. It's not always pretty but it tells me what direction DCS is headed in and gives me an idea of upcoming improvements. I have stable for when I want to just chill and enjoy. It seems that some of you are just happy when you aren't happy. Actually, I don’t think you’re getting it. Stable DCS is not ‘with releases that are complete and tested’ at all. It is just a previous build of the OB without show-stopping bugs. Modules are, in fact, less complete. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box
Feuerfalke Posted March 3, 2020 Posted March 3, 2020 If you can show me any other project of the same complexity that has so many improvements being worked on for your future excitement with an equally small team on an equally small budget that has NO BUGs, I'll gladly join your march. For now, I'm just happy with what we have rather than wasting my time being unhappy with what I don't have. MSI X670E Gaming Plus | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 64 GB DDR4 | AMD RX 6900 XT | LG 55" @ 4K | Cougar 1000 W | CreativeX G6 | TIR5 | CH HOTAS (with BU0836X-12 Bit) + Crosswind Pedals | Win11 64 HP | StreamDeck XL | 3x TM MFD
ivo Posted March 3, 2020 Posted March 3, 2020 Actually, I don’t think you’re getting it. Stable DCS is not ‘with releases that are complete and tested’ at all. It is just a previous build of the OB without show-stopping bugs. Modules are, in fact, less complete. +100 cpu:I7-6700k Z170 16GB Ram DDR4 Gtx 1080 8Gb DDR5 11GBs SSD 500 Gb 2 HDD 1Tb Evga supernova G2 850w Case Bequiet series 800 Silent base Win 10 pro 64 bit My wishlist: F-35/B-17G/F4U Corsair/Yak-3/P-40B Tomahawk
rrohde Posted March 3, 2020 Posted March 3, 2020 Some of you guys aren't getting it and I fail to understand why. If you want a stable DCS with releases that are complete and tested, you stay with the stable DCS version. You get exactly what you want. You say you re willing to wait for the complete version. That's what stable DCS is. If you agree to, and volunteer to use the BETA version, you knew exactly what you signed on for. You are getting an incomplete version that has not been completely tested. It's what you agreed to. It all makes perfect sense to me. I have BETA and I fly it to see what ED is doing with it's updates. It's not always pretty but it tells me what direction DCS is headed in and gives me an idea of upcoming improvements. I have stable for when I want to just chill and enjoy. It seems that some of you are just happy when you aren't happy. Well said - and should be common sense. :thumbup: PC: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | MSI Suprim GeForce 3090 TI | ASUS Prime X570-P | 128GB DDR4 3600 RAM | 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD | Win10 Pro 64bit Gear: HP Reverb G2 | JetPad FSE | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk.III w/ MCG Ultimate VKBcontrollers.com
TLTeo Posted March 3, 2020 Posted March 3, 2020 Actually, I don’t think you’re getting it. Stable DCS is not ‘with releases that are complete and tested’ at all. It is just a previous build of the OB without show-stopping bugs. Modules are, in fact, less complete. Well yes, because said features are tested on OB? How else are they supposed to be completed and tested?
Oceandar Posted March 3, 2020 Posted March 3, 2020 Some of you guys aren't getting it and I fail to understand why. If you want a stable DCS with releases that are complete and tested, you stay with the stable DCS version. You get exactly what you want. You say you re willing to wait for the complete version. That's what stable DCS is. If you agree to, and volunteer to use the BETA version, you knew exactly what you signed on for. You are getting an incomplete version that has not been completely tested. It's what you agreed to. It all makes perfect sense to me. I have BETA and I fly it to see what ED is doing with it's updates. It's not always pretty but it tells me what direction DCS is headed in and gives me an idea of upcoming improvements. I have stable for when I want to just chill and enjoy. It seems that some of you are just happy when you aren't happy.Absolutely agree 100 % Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself is true power. - Lao Tze
imacken Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 Well yes, because said features are tested on OB? How else are they supposed to be completed and tested? Eh? I think you’re misunderstanding the point, and that was what Zimmerdylan said regarding the definition of the Stable version was simply wrong! Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box
draconus Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 The fact that new EA modules come first to Open Beta and most MP servers are running on it will always push people to use the OB, even if they don't want the "beta" part of it. Since ED doesn't want to change these things around they choose to give more quality to the "beta" part. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Harker Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 The issue with the OB is that people want the latest thing (module, system etc), they don't want to wait for the Stable, tested release (it still has bugs, but they're not game-breaking) and then they complain that a Beta release can be very buggy at times. It's beyond me. I run OB and I do get frustrated at times, it's only normal, but I try and report bugs when I can and I know that if I'm that broken up about some things, I can always switch to Stable, very easily. It seems that a lot of people forget that. And if a feature or module is not on Stable, it means it's not ready to be on Stable, because it's buggy. But people want to play with the buggy feature, but then complain that it's buggy. The servers are running the OB because they want to have the latest stuff in order to attract people. ED could always force the OB to run only in SP, but then you don't get any testing done for MP, which can have its own, specific issues, not present in SP. ED can't win no matter what they do, because the community is impatient and most servers contribute to that. People expect updates every week instead of every month or two and aren't willing to wait for OB testing to be done. It's up to the players and server admins to realize that if they want a more stable experience, they need to be patient for it. I do not believe it's ED's job to intervene here. The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro
gorzasty Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 ED should close OB for testers that are paid. Noone else. Testers should threat their job serious. Dont use players as a testers because it doesnt work ED! Wysłane z mojego SM-G960F przy użyciu Tapatalka PC: i7 13700k, 64GB RAM 3600MHz DDR4, SSD M.2 Drives, RTX 4090, VR: Quest 3. VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip, VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle, crosswinds rudder pedals, VPC panel CP3, WinWing PTO2
Jazz_44 Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 The issue with the OB is that people want the latest thing (module, system etc), they don't want to wait for the Stable, tested release (it still has bugs, but they're not game-breaking) and then they complain that a Beta release can be very buggy at times. It's beyond me. I run OB and I do get frustrated at times, it's only normal, but I try and report bugs when I can and I know that if I'm that broken up about some things, I can always switch to Stable, very easily. It seems that a lot of people forget that. And if a feature or module is not on Stable, it means it's not ready to be on Stable, because it's buggy. But people want to play with the buggy feature, but then complain that it's buggy. The servers are running the OB because they want to have the latest stuff in order to attract people. ED could always force the OB to run only in SP, but then you don't get any testing done for MP, which can have its own, specific issues, not present in SP. ED can't win no matter what they do, because the community is impatient and most servers contribute to that. People expect updates every week instead of every month or two and aren't willing to wait for OB testing to be done. It's up to the players and server admins to realize that if they want a more stable experience, they need to be patient for it. I do not believe it's ED's job to intervene here. Well said! :thumbup:
draconus Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 ED should close OB for testers that are paid. Noone else. Testers should threat their job serious. Dont use players as a testers because it doesnt work ED! Oh no, it works very well, that's why they keep it that way and make official statements about it, thanking users for their reports and support. It's just some users are only happy testers when they don't find much bugs... Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Birko Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 Has anyone used any of FylingIron's addons in the other sim? They any good? Super excited for the SLUF! We need more jets from that era.
DD_Fenrir Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 ED should close OB for testers that are paid. Noone else. Testers should threat their job serious. Dont use players as a testers because it doesnt work ED! Wysłane z mojego SM-G960F przy użyciu Tapatalka On what planet do you think ED makes enough money for this strategy to be viable??? And it would work if the community used for OpenBeta for purpose for which it was designed, a point that has been repeatedly made throughout this thread by myself and others, and one that is consistently ignored by those with an overblown sense of entitlement.
BoneDust Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 Being a closed beta tester is not for everyone, you do need to be capable of testing and conversing with the team when reporting issues in a calm, polite and professional way, implying they are yes men is insulting, and could not be further from the truth. I started as a volunteer tester and enjoy it for many years, the team we have now do some great work and we are grateful for it. Thanks Most people do not understand what being a beta tester is. They think it allows them to get all the new stuff and play with it (have fun), when the reality is its the most boring aspect of software development. If people understood that they would not be lining up at the door to be a tester :thumbup: Bugs will still be released even with beta testing. Some are known and some simply didn't get picked up. Beta testing is not about having fun if you're doing it as it should be done. Alienware New Aurora R15 | Windows® 11 Home Premium | 64bit, 13thGen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9 13900KF(24-Core, 68MB| NVIDIA(R) GeForce RTX(TM) 4090, 24GB GDDR6X | 1 X 2TB SSD, 1X 1TB SSD | 64GB, 2x32GB, DDR5, 4800MHz | 1350W PSU, Alienware Cryo-tech (TM) Edition CPU Liquid Cooling power supply | Pimax Crystal VR
gorzasty Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 Oh no, it works very well, that's why they keep it that way and make official statements about it, thanking users for their reports and support. It's just some users are only happy testers when they don't find much bugs...Ofcourse they are polite and thanks. Becouse they have free manpower as tetesters. What can they say then... but as I said it desnt work. So many free testers and look how bad was last patch for OB. It shouldnt happen. In our community there is trend to use OB for daily MP events because OB has more features than stable version what is sometimes really needed. Game is broken in so many aspects that every patch is like heaven... but not the one like we heve last time. My oppinion is ED should revised rheir strategy for testing and for evelving their software. It is really bad if patch that has to repair something breaking many things...ED is serious company not students writing code in their homes... Wysłane z mojego SM-G960F przy użyciu Tapatalka PC: i7 13700k, 64GB RAM 3600MHz DDR4, SSD M.2 Drives, RTX 4090, VR: Quest 3. VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip, VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle, crosswinds rudder pedals, VPC panel CP3, WinWing PTO2
Lange_666 Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 Some of you guys aren't getting it and I fail to understand why. If you want a stable DCS with releases that are complete and tested, you stay with the stable DCS version. You get exactly what you want. You say you re willing to wait for the complete version. That's what stable DCS is. If you agree to, and volunteer to use the BETA version, you knew exactly what you signed on for. You are getting an incomplete version that has not been completely tested. It's what you agreed to. It all makes perfect sense to me. I have BETA and I fly it to see what ED is doing with it's updates. It's not always pretty but it tells me what direction DCS is headed in and gives me an idea of upcoming improvements. I have stable for when I want to just chill and enjoy. It seems that some of you are just happy when you aren't happy. Are you and the Zimmerdylan on this topic actually the same person? Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S, Elgato Streamdeck XL. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance!
hanab Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 Here the last newsletter https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4229700&postcount=241 Sad to read any word about hornet, viper or supercarrier.....COO Don’t said that ed will be more transparent about dev ?
rrohde Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 Here the last newsletter https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4229700&postcount=241 Sad to read any word about hornet, viper or supercarrier.....COO Don’t said that ed will be more transparent about dev ? Not every weekly newsletter talks about the same stuff - and, we get them every week with tidbits of what ED wants to share with us. Why not wait until ED has something more to share next time? It's really that simple:waiting isn't hard, doesn't cost money, doesn't make anyone's life any worse. PC: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | MSI Suprim GeForce 3090 TI | ASUS Prime X570-P | 128GB DDR4 3600 RAM | 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD | Win10 Pro 64bit Gear: HP Reverb G2 | JetPad FSE | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk.III w/ MCG Ultimate VKBcontrollers.com
hanab Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 Not every weekly newsletter talks about the same stuff - and, we get them every week with tidbits of what ED wants to share with us. Why not wait until ED has something more to share next time? It's really that simple:waiting isn't hard, doesn't cost money, doesn't make anyone's life any worse. in this case it would be more honest to say that the team is working on another new project rather than finishing those that are already sold.
Silver_Dragon Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 Sad to read any word about hornet, viper or supercarrier.....COO Don’t said that ed will be more transparent about dev ? Transparent about? Was very transparent COO talking about ED project status, the same when Nick Grey talking on reddit months ago. For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
Silver_Dragon Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 (edited) in this case it would be more honest to say that the team is working on another new project rather than finishing those that are already sold. Improve 3D scaning has a new project? has ED talking someone about start to make a infantry simulator or something? :music_whistling: or only has making a steep forward started with the motion capture with carrier crew. Remember Minsk Studio team was a motion capture / 3D rendered station on your studio on 2018. Edited March 6, 2020 by Silver_Dragon For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
algerad3 Posted March 6, 2020 Posted March 6, 2020 I got newsletter in my inbox in part says "...This weekend only we are offering the F-15C Eagle and Su-27 Flanker for DCS World to fly for free, both on our e-shop and on Steam.". Not seeing anything in E-shop. Am I missing something? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPIAS FOR Saitek: Saitek Flight instrument panels and X-52 pro mfd scripts for Dcs http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=94174
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