reported FPS Lost after DCS 2.7.7.14727 patch

[HiWeee]

39分钟前，Boosterdog说：

Lets hope actions speak louder than words

 

Hope the 28th patch can fix the FPS problem

[Enduro14]

https://discord.com/channels/542985647502393346/543014378643914752/902959497851592824

 

nope

[Mistic]

I can't believe they still don't recognize the problem

[deep]

"Nothing clear" - that doesn't give me much faith in whatever is pushed out tomorrow.

[Miro]

Well, naval operations in deep sea continues then. I also discovered plain desert in Southern Syria, DCS should run pretty smooth there. Sooner or later they will find the cause and fix it.

[Tenebrae Aeternae]

You really can´t expect a game in constant development to run exactly the same way forever with a very old rig that could use some extra ram aswell. Surely you understand that? Now, i´m not saying there isn´t an issue with the patch either.. but you really need to manage your expectations. There comes a moment, when no matter what you do with the settings, only way to run the game decently is to just upgrade the rig. Some of the posts in this topic give a feeling that if a game doesn´t run on their rig, exactly with the settings they want to use with the fps they need to have, game is automatically faulty. I mean like OP has Haswell, it was amazing for its day.. but it´s most certainly the next day now. That´s almost 8 years old cpu. That said, i really hope they find a flaw and they find some more fps in a form of a fix, but this might not happen. If the fps drop doesn´t show up in developers tests despite attempts, there´s nothing for them to fix.

[BeerNfrites]

3 minutes ago, ChainsawAkimbo said:

You really can´t expect a game in constant development to run exactly the same way forever with a very old rig that could use some extra ram aswell. Surely you understand that?..

I don’t think that is the expectation. Just to not lose 10% of frames overnight for no noticeable graphic improvement. 

[Sr.]

2 minutes ago, BeerNfrites said:

I don’t think that is the expectation. Just to not lose 10% of frames overnight for no noticeable graphic improvement. 

on a rig I would hardly describe (mine) as old/outdated.

[av8orDave]

37 minutes ago, ChainsawAkimbo said:

You really can´t expect a game in constant development to run exactly the same way forever with a very old rig that could use some extra ram aswell. Surely you understand that? Now, i´m not saying there isn´t an issue with the patch either.. but you really need to manage your expectations. There comes a moment, when no matter what you do with the settings, only way to run the game decently is to just upgrade the rig. Some of the posts in this topic give a feeling that if a game doesn´t run on their rig, exactly with the settings they want to use with the fps they need to have, game is automatically faulty. I mean like OP has Haswell, it was amazing for its day.. but it´s most certainly the next day now. That´s almost 8 years old cpu. That said, i really hope they find a flaw and they find some more fps in a form of a fix, but this might not happen. If the fps drop doesn´t show up in developers tests despite attempts, there´s nothing for them to fix.

With a 5950X, RTX 3080, and 64GB of DDR4, it’s pretty state of the art, actually, and VR performance with any sort of complex mission (Liberation, for example) went from barely acceptable in 2021 to pretty bad. Not trying to be critical, DCS is the best sim out there and a great product, but performance should be high on the list of priorities (and I think it is high on their list to their credit). Having said that, you can hardly be surprised when updates that are supposed to be positive are almost game-breaking for many of the customers. I’m sure they’ll get it sorted out. Selfishly, I hope soon.

[Enduro14]

Well I haven't found the golden ticket by any means, but I DDU cleaned my nvidia drivers and fresh install of yesterdays new nvidia drivers.  Plus as i only fly vr in quest 2 now i have my quest set to native res in Oculus desktop app and then made a sacrifice of dcs pd down to 0.9,  granted i also turned off cockpit global lighting, and water down to medium.  With that i am atleast able to fly the hind low level and locked at ASW 36fps.  So certainly not pre patch awesome but Found some compromise's and enjoying time in the Hind.

 

1080ti is the gpu i have and it certainly seems a upgrade is in order, but then i see folks with a 3090 having issues.  DCS is a strange beast indeed.

[Raven434th]

This patch makes some modules and map combinations unplayable...by as much as 50 % loss compared to other combinations...for example I can play instant action with the A10 C on caucuses at 30-35 ish while the BF 109 on Normandy is 14-16 ish. It's completely ridiculous and they need to fix this ASAP.

[Raven434th]

2 hours ago, ChainsawAkimbo said:

You really can´t expect a game in constant development to run exactly the same way forever with a very old rig that could use some extra ram aswell. Surely you understand that? Now, i´m not saying there isn´t an issue with the patch either.. but you really need to manage your expectations. There comes a moment, when no matter what you do with the settings, only way to run the game decently is to just upgrade the rig. Some of the posts in this topic give a feeling that if a game doesn´t run on their rig, exactly with the settings they want to use with the fps they need to have, game is automatically faulty. I mean like OP has Haswell, it was amazing for its day.. but it´s most certainly the next day now. That´s almost 8 years old cpu. That said, i really hope they find a flaw and they find some more fps in a form of a fix, but this might not happen. If the fps drop doesn´t show up in developers tests despite attempts, there´s nothing for them to fix.

BUT...you also have to account for the fact ED is "pushing" our modules out of the parameters compared to when we bought them. I have modules that were bought years before my gpu even existed. 

[ACME_WIdgets]

IF the water details is the problem for the slower fps (and I have nothing to base this on, other than the water improvement announcement in the new revision notes),
does anyone else (with a slow system) notice at mission start water is covering EVERYING, and then ground gets placed "on top" of the water?
Is DCS rendering water underneath the ground?   Might explain the fps hits over the middle of the desert...
(this is pure speculation, so take it with 2 grains of salt and don't call me in the morning)

[Art-J]

4 hours ago, ACME_WIdgets said:

Is DCS rendering water underneath the ground? 

Yes, that's how this graphics engine has been working since the beginning of DCS. Still does in 2.7.7, and although on my rig the difference between "new" water low and high is only up to 5 fps, it's possible that general performance impact is much higher compared to low and high in previous build.

[Miro]

1 hour ago, Art-J said:

Yes, that's how this graphics engine has been working since the beginning of DCS. Still does in 2.7.7, and although on my rig the difference between "new" water low and high is only up to 5 fps, it's possible that general performance impact is much higher compared to low and high in previous build.

Same here, even less 2-3 FPS difference, just as "old" water high vs low.

[Lurker]

10 hours ago, ChainsawAkimbo said:

You really can´t expect a game in constant development to run exactly the same way forever with a very old rig that could use some extra ram aswell. Surely you understand that? 

Seriously? Check my sig and then tell me again why you think that I should upgrade my graphics card or RAM, and spend thousands of dollars more so I can play DCS World, after I spent thousands of dollars in the past year or so. Because until they fix their performance issues I'm not coming back and all of that money is wasted. 

[Lange_666]

No you don't but you've become at a point that performance will go down, don't expect it to be the other way around.
And, you're still running an "old" 9900 when a 12900 is just around the corner. Time to cash out man, that is how pure capitalism works. 

[Miro]

47 minutes ago, Lange_666 said:

No you don't but you've become at a point that performance will go down, don't expect it to be the other way around.
And, you're still running an "old" 9900 when a 12900 is just around the corner. Time to cash out man, that is how pure capitalism works. 

His 9900 almost idling when he flies, as the DCS doesn't even use 50 percent of it for heavy missions.

[Lurker]

1 hour ago, Lange_666 said:

No you don't but you've become at a point that performance will go down, don't expect it to be the other way around.
And, you're still running an "old" 9900 when a 12900 is just around the corner. Time to cash out man, that is how pure capitalism works. 

You are wrong, completely and utterly wrong. 

Edited October 28, 2021 by Lurker

[Nevyn]

1 hour ago, Lange_666 said:

No you don't but you've become at a point that performance will go down, don't expect it to be the other way around.
And, you're still running an "old" 9900 when a 12900 is just around the corner. Time to cash out man, that is how pure capitalism works. 

Wow.

[Hiob]

9 hours ago, Raven434th said:

This patch makes some modules and map combinations unplayable...by as much as 50 % loss compared to other combinations...for example I can play instant action with the A10 C on caucuses at 30-35 ish while the BF 109 on Normandy is 14-16 ish. It's completely ridiculous and they need to fix this ASAP.

AMD FX 8350 4.0 Ghz CPU , ATI RX 560 4 gig GPU ,32 gig ram on Win11 64bit.

 

On a side note - don't you think it was a bit risky to run win11 on such a rather outdated cpu? The trouble with dcs performance aside, I can't imagine that this runs well, or does it?

[Lange_666]

1 hour ago, Nevyn said:

Wow.

There's nothing to Wow about that, it is pure reality, like it or not (and i don't either but at least i know what to expect).
When i get a new game/rig i start at the lower end of the settings and then i only go up and even then i make sure i have some headroom so i don't have to tickle the settings every patch.
If you do it like most people, set everything to max and then have to go lower each time on your settings, dissapointement is your deal.
That's my almost 40 years of gaming experience in a nutshell.

1 hour ago, Lurker said:

You are wrong, completely and utterly wrong. 

 

Maybe but then...you are the one who seems to be dissapointed, not me.
And i don't even have half the perfommance you have. I'm still playing....

Edited October 28, 2021 by Lange_666

[Golo]

Simple fact is that ED absolutely suck at optimization. Since 2.7 to this day Ive lost 25FPS and I cant get that back no matter what (all) setting I lower, I gain maybe 5FPS back. So thats 25FPS down the drain for nothing, there isnt anything noticeable (except clouds they are pretty) for me to justify loosing 25FPS. Take your clouds and whatever else and shov.... and gimme my 25FPS back. Because now its nigh on unflyable. 

[BIGNEWY]

If you have short track replays showing a problem attach them, we can take a look.

thanks

2 minutes ago, Golo said:

Simple fact is that ED absolutely suck at optimization. Since 2.7 to this day Ive lost 25FPS and I cant get that back no matter what (all) setting I lower, I gain maybe 5FPS back. So thats 25FPS down the drain for nothing, there isnt anything noticeable (except clouds they are pretty) for me to justify loosing 25FPS. Take your clouds and whatever else and shov.... and gimme my 25FPS back. Because now its nigh on unflyable. 

what is your system spec and settings? 

[felipesm]

I am optimistic.