waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[cuchara]

hace 22 horas, Citizen dijo:

This is interesting context.  If RAZBAM and ED are waiting with each other, that indicates that there is another party they are waiting on.

yes,customers.

[Rhinozherous]

IF (!) they resolve the problems I would be happy to see progress on the F15E again. But I would never ever spend a single cent on any razbam product again. (I bought the F15E before the disaster of course)

Edited March 12 by Rhinozherous

[BIGNEWY]

folks please stick to the thread topic here. keep the feedback constructive, if you can not please go post somewhere else. 

thank you 

[Mike Force Team]

Once RZ receives their development license, things will change. Perhaps the changes will happen soon. As a result, we will or would see needed updates appear. The restoration of business between RZ and ED would be a major celebration. 

RZ says they would provide a free update to the Mirage 2000.

Hopefully, ED and RZ would take steps to improve customer relationships. Time heals wounds. At the same time, it takes both companies to make it work.

After a stalemate that had lasted approximately one year, we should keep telling, reminding, and writing to ED and RZ to solve their problems. 

Mike Force Team 

Edited March 12 by Mike Force Team

[LordOrion]

13 hours ago, Joe1978 said:

After what happened, would you buy a RB module again?

First of all the must finish all missing stuff for Harrier, M-2000C and (obviously) F-15E.

Then, RB should release a really interesting module... M-2000-5 / Mig-23 are not interesting enough to me.

And even if they did both of above, I will wait for the end of Early Access before buy.

Edited March 12 by LordOrion

[Beirut]

If I was younger I'd play out my pride and refuse to buy more stuff from RB. But at my age, if it's cool and I can buy it and fly it - I'm buying it and flying it.

 

Boomers FTW! 

[pjbunnyru]

Integrite is good when ther is a lot of choice.

[primus_TR]

Not a snowball's chance in hell will ED allow razbam to return to DCS. Nor should they. Razbam has actively tried to undermine, if possible destroy, the one and only real military flight sim available to flight simmers. Anyhow,  ED needs to devise a way to clean up the crap razbam left behind,  and that's exactly what ED has been trying to do. Looking forward to seeing ED and the community move on. 

[felixx75]

9 minutes ago, primus_TR said:

Not a snowball's chance in hell will ED allow razbam to return to DCS. Nor should they. Razbam has actively tried to undermine, if possible destroy, the one and only real military flight sim available to flight simmers. Anyhow,  ED needs to devise a way to clean up the crap razbam left behind,  and that's exactly what ED has been trying to do. Looking forward to seeing ED and the community move on. 

Do you have any serious evidence or sources for your claims? (surely not) Or are you just expressing your subjective dislike of Razbam? (most likely)

Edited March 13 by felixx75

[draconus]

16 minutes ago, primus_TR said:

Not a snowball's chance in hell will ED allow razbam to return to DCS. Nor should they. Razbam has actively tried to undermine, if possible destroy, the one and only real military flight sim available to flight simmers. Anyhow,  ED needs to devise a way to clean up the crap razbam left behind,  and that's exactly what ED has been trying to do. Looking forward to seeing ED and the community move on. 

You're free to uninstall and not buy anything from Razbam. You can move on and stay unaffected.

[Esac_mirmidon]

It seems somebody dislikes Razbam....

 

[Ignition]

18 hours ago, Rhinozherous said:

IF (!) they resolve the problems I would be happy to see progress on the F15E again. But I would never ever spend a single cent on any razbam product again. (I bought the F15E before the disaster of course)

I think I will not buy any other 3rd party module again.

I still have the F-15E and I'm waiting for a positive resolution. I like how it was modeled and I like to see it fully developed.

[LordOrion]

5 hours ago, primus_TR said:

Not a snowball's chance in hell will ED allow razbam to return to DCS. Nor should they. Razbam has actively tried to undermine, if possible destroy, the one and only real military flight sim available to flight simmers. Anyhow,  ED needs to devise a way to clean up the crap razbam left behind,  and that's exactly what ED has been trying to do. Looking forward to seeing ED and the community move on. 

Pride and business don't go particularly well together: ED knows that sending RB to go hell would leave a lot of "unhappy" users with a really low trust in ED accountability, which probably won't buy another 3rd party module untill the hell freeze.

Much better swallow the pride, try fix the issue with RB and then try to find a way to avoid such kind of problems in future modifiying the ED vs 3rParty dev agreements.

Edited March 13 by LordOrion

[Nightdare]

2 hours ago, LordOrion said:

Pride and business don't go particularly well together: ED knows that sending RB to go hell would leave a lot of "unhappy" users with a really low trust in ED accountability (and a buch of dead modules), which probably won't buy another 3rd party module untill the helle freeze.

Much better swallow the pride, try fix the issue with RB and then try to find a way to avoid such kind of problems in future modifiying the ED vs 3rParty dev agreements.

+1

 

Indeed, even as an individual it's easier to speak of principles than honor them, for a business, dealing with companies and individuals? Nigh on impossible

BUT like individuals "Once bitten, twice shy", let's hope ED learnt after the 2nd time 

[BIGNEWY]

Removed off topic, please keep it on topic here.

 

thank you 

[too-cool]

2 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Removed off topic, please keep it on topic here.

 

thank you 

If ED can't talk about matter because of Legal issues than why have they created this topic and allow the customers to comment. Close this now and when you have information to share and I mean meaningful information inform the community. Maybe it's just me but I think both ED & RZ are playing the customers to their advantage and neither are going to resolve this matter as long as they can use the customer base to deflect. I also don't think either has faith in the Legal system.  TC

[Oban]

2 hours ago, too-cool said:

If ED can't talk about matter because of Legal issues than why have they created this topic and allow the customers to comment. Close this now and when you have information to share and I mean meaningful information inform the community. Maybe it's just me but I think both ED & RZ are playing the customers to their advantage and neither are going to resolve this matter as long as they can use the customer base to deflect. I also don't think either has faith in the Legal system.  TC

Or you can just chose to ignore this thread altogether??

[C3PO]

I'm feeling hopeful a conclusion can be reached and we can see more improvements to the already amazing Strike Eagle. 

[MAXsenna]

I'm feeling hopeful a conclusion can be reached and we can see more improvements to the already amazing Strike Eagle. 

Amen to that! I'm sure we all agree!

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[Mizzy]

On 3/12/2025 at 6:15 PM, Mike Force Team said:

Time heals wounds.

Unfortunately wounds that have been left to infest don't heal. In this case, amputation is the healer.

14 hours ago, pjbunnyru said:

Integrite is good when ther is a lot of choice.

Agreed

On 3/12/2025 at 11:56 AM, Horns said:

Based on my experience buying Razbam modules, I would never buy another module made by them - even if it was DCS: F-22A. While I agree modules aren't major purchases, the free market works best when companies that don't treat consumers with respect don't get sales, and in my opinion that describes Razbam. Others obviously disagree, all opinions are valid.

Also agreed

On 3/12/2025 at 6:04 PM, Rhinozherous said:

IF (!) they resolve the problems I would be happy to see progress on the F15E again. But I would never ever spend a single cent on any razbam product again. (I bought the F15E before the disaster of course)

Agreed

On 3/12/2025 at 3:28 PM, Gary said:

A little perspective might help when people consider how they feel about a dev or module.

If half finished manuals or implementation is not for you then steer clear of EA alltogether - problem solved.

Wait for the finished article and then buy it, even better wait for one of the many sales and get it then. Broadly speaking I would wager you could pick up most modules (albeit after a wait) for around £50 UK pounds or so.

That's about the same price of a round of golf or a couple of evenings down the pub or another activity that's a one time event.

Anyone would think we were shelling out several grand for a rolls royce that got delivered with dents in the bodywork.

Not poking anyone here - just saying its a hobby that we invest in of course but as has been said - its not like the market is awash with other options is it.

Regards,

Gary

Your post has merit

11 hours ago, Ignition said:

I think I will not buy any other 3rd party module again.

 

You have repeated this many times, we get the message. 

On 3/12/2025 at 9:40 PM, LordOrion said:

First of all the must finish all missing stuff for Harrier, M-2000C and (obviously) F-15E.

Then, RB should release a really interesting module... M-2000-5 / Mig-23 are not interesting enough to me.

And even if they did both of above, I will wait for the end of Early Access before buy.

I would like the Mig 23 but not by Razbam and I am not alone.

[Mizzy]

On 3/12/2025 at 9:57 PM, Beirut said:

If I was younger I'd play out my pride and refuse to buy more stuff from RB. But at my age, if it's cool and I can buy it and fly it - I'm buying it and flying it.

 

Boomers FTW! 

Yes, but not anything to do with Razbam.

2 hours ago, C3PO said:

I'm feeling hopeful a conclusion can be reached and we can see more improvements to the already amazing Strike Eagle. 

I personally feel Razbam are well and truly out of the equation for developing anything again in DCS and the hope for a good outcome is Razbam leave DCS on good terms, whatever that may entail.

Mizzy

[Hammer1-1]

I just recently decided to refund the F-15E. Havent heard anything - good OR bad - in the last 5-6 months that suggest otherwise, and frankly dont really see it going anywhere from here on out. Hope they do better at microprose, but wont be including me in that science project. Never again.

[Beirut]

But that all weather day night A2G action with the radar targeting... it's too delicious to live without. 

 

[Gunny_Mays]

So are the rumors true?  Is ED and RAZBAM kumbaya now?  What is the status?

[felixx75]

15 minutes ago, Gunny_Mays said:

So are the rumors true?  Is ED and RAZBAM kumbaya now?  What is the status?

As soon as there is something official to say (and no rumors or the like), you will be able to read it in the first post of this thread.