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I want to thank the moderators and testers who are giving away much of their free time on our behalf to be only occasionally commended but unfortunately also sometimes harassed, called names and asked to answer the same questions over and over and over again. The least we can do is make their job easier by reading and searching for previous posts that may be covering the same ground. We owe them our thanks and our courtesy for their endless patience. My head would have exploded twelve times by now at many of the posts I have read. Thanks guys and keep up the good work! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Out

The tree's roots are actually collidable. Fly low enough and aim for the roots. My chopper explodes 100% of the times. GUARANTEED!!!!

After going through page after page in this thread and reading some of the posts all i say is i feel for you moderators, i really do! <------- and my dog George does too!

Hello all. I use a dual monitor setup along with Halios with a combined resolution of 1920X2130. I was just wondering how do you find the overall performance of BS2 when compared with the A-10C. With the above setup and resolution when playing A-10C i easily get 60FPS (i cap it at 40 tho) and it's pretty stable at that. However in BS2 im getting a maximum FPS of 40ish but it often drops down into the low 20's with a bit of action. I haven't had to much time to experiment with the settings yet to try and find the bottle neck. I was wondering have you noticed a difference in performance....even if you are only using a single monitor setup ?... For you information i have:- i5 2500k@4.7MHz. 8Gb RAM. ATI 5870 1Gb. OCZ Vertex 3 SSD. Regards Gunner....

У нас два сервера в сети Beeline (корбина). Оба сервера подключены через роутеры (за НАТом). Один из роутеров асус n10. Все работает прекрасно. В асусе > wan > виртуальный сервер - прописаны TCP и UDP на порты ЛО2 к локальныму адресу сервера. Разумеется, файрвол должен быть настроен соответствующим образом.

Выживать надо предлагая новый товар. А чем новый БС2? Плюшками от Кабана которые хотели сначала бесплатно совместить? Для тех кто её не покупал не спорю, приобретение того стоит. А у кого уже есть и ещё раз покупать за несущественные бонусы как то странно.

Eagle Dynamics - Apple (same battle) Hello All :) paid patch that does not have much time or compatibility with the A10 I can not believe ... A patch fee? Since when have we done paid a patch even if it brings some fixes ... Is not a new simulator but just a compatibility and improved graphics.

Would love to know the perf difference with BS1 too. Running 6 screens config with Helios and BS1 and got 30 fps which is OK, but lower would be an issue.

Viper, why are you so rude? You really do bite like a snake at everyone who dares to criticise Eagle Dynamics, even if it is constructive criticism. Your "SHUT UP OR **** OFF"-attitude is not very helpful in this discussion. Either you say something constructive or you should be at least quiet and polite. I really don't worry about these 20$, but I am worried about Eagles design decisions and really hope that the Warthog-engine is much more modular and they can now built upon it. Please don't screw it up, Eagle Dynamics, please don't. Modularise it, this time for real, add DLC stuff for more income. We are fans, we are mostly fine with giving you money, we just don't want only 1 monolithic sim every 3 or more years that's giving you another nightmare when you port the last "modules" to the next engine.

Well said. My argument is mostly similar with one additional point. Much of what is included in BS2 is already present in WH or is part of the 1.1.1.0 WH changelog. The models, the textures, the gameworld is all the same. In my eyes, BS2 includes new cockpit effects and multplayer compatibility. Thats it. Everything else is already available in WH. I don't care about the 40$ for the standalone, considering thats what I bought it for initially. Its the 20$ for stuff I mostly already have (by owning WH) is what doesn't seem right.

No offence to ED or anyone else, but even thought I don't think $20 is a lot for the upgrade you get (graphics mostly) I think I'll pass on this one for a few reasons: The way DCS modules are released is way more then estimated 9 months... by the time one is released and next one things get boring pretty quick as to be honest, both Ka-50 and A-10C are not what most would like to fly... because both aircraft are more suitable for coop type missions and with AI thinghs get very repetative very quick... I know ME is very advanced but really as much as that's its streangth it's a weakness too because not many people have time or will or brains (all or together) to keep making new missions... anyway, that's how I see it. I bought both Ka-50 and A-10C but I can't play them together and most people/friends I like to fly with don't like one or the other or both... it leaves me singled out and separates community slowly with each module... it separates the community also because between patches to make things compatible... well lets be honest... takes forever... it takes so long to make me forget how to fly one or the order aircraft (figuratively speaking) To me if things continue like this I'll be an old man before I get to fly some fighter and that I can play in online enviroment with others where we don't "fight" each other flying same aircraft. If Ed doesn't come up with new system/module for terrain only and others stuff that is now duplicated across all different releases this is very soon (something like by next DCS release) going to become impossible to update module by module. The idea of aircraft modules are great but unless this happens like in FS where new aircraft can be added to same base module... I don't see it as being a win... sure there are people very happy to fly this or that aircraft in DCS but for most, just one module on its own and waiting for months/years to get other modules to become complatible... well it's short lived to me. Anyway, ED will do what ED sees as best for them so really it doesn't matter what I think, but I just wanted to show my view on this as to be honest I am not thrilled by this unexpected news at all... over'n'out

I have bought BS2 and I am downloading now but I feel like I need to voice my displeasure. This is not what DCS was supposed to be. The modules where supposed to be pieces that would fit together to form one sim with many aircraft. Thats what was advertised when the dcs brand was announced and when WH came out. What we have now is a mish mash that breaks up the community. Like others have asked, will we have BS3, WH2 when the next "module" come out? How about 2 modules down the road? 3,4,5? When I bought BS the first time I was supposed to be able to play online with people flying other planes in the future. So basicly DCS: BS should not even carry the DCS title anymore because it is not part of it. What I think should have been done when creating the "modules" was to work only on the aircraft themselves and leave graphical and ME upgrades alone. Once in a while release patches that dealt with upgrading graphics and the ME. That way we would have had more planes released by now. Sort of like Rise of Flight. It not about the money for me. Like I said, I purchased BS2 already because I like the Ka-50 and I want to support ED. But, the way they went about it was very bad, IMHO. Right now I feel like the DCS brand has basically been abandoned.

+1 If the DCS is modular as it was supposed to have been, then ideally the amount of work needed to upgrade the Black Shark is limited to compatibility upgrades of the Ka-50 code (and its missions and campaigns) to align with the new features. When I look at the BS2 "feature" list, I see only DCS Warthog features so it feels more like a compatibility patch to bring the BS to the current DCS engine level. The FC2 was not part of the DCS so it made sense to pay for that, but DCS BS should be something else. Now, this was asked when the whole DCS thing started and IIRC it was clearly stated that there would be free compatibility patches to bring the common engine up to standard which was increased with the release of the new module if you don't want to purchase the new module. That was supposed to have been the whole point of the DCS - to have different modules interplaying together and only buying those that you want. If it was determined that this was not a good business concept, then this should have been clearly stated. I can understand that it makes little business sense to provide compatibility patches for free to people who don't want to buy the next module (though, I believe it was stated to be like this and they do exactly that with Strike Fighters series), but then at least the people buying the next module should get those "engine" patches for free. And this Black Shark 2 thing where (if I decide to buy it) you need to have the original Black Shark installed which is then not patched, but a completely different build is installed in addition AND completely separate from the Warthog installation brings all this talk of modular platforms in question. If so, fine, but is it too much to ask ED to come out and clearly state the planned business model of the DCS and how it will work out with future modules (will we have FC4, BS3, WH2 with the next module, each costing $20?). I hope we can at least uninstall the original BS installation after the BS2 is installed? Sorry if it was stated already..

No, It means he can't comment. Nate

1 I believe is fixed the others I'll have to check. Edit:- 3 - it is possible for one system to fail, it isn't very common, but it can happen. (I remember checking that a short while ago) Nate

solution is in developers hands : just listen to user's community attempts, bugs feedback and so on... since 2008-2009 many people are still waiting about ED for BS... if developpers don't bring to users what they are asking for, don't be surprised or disapointed to see them "rude"... it is the client / market law... I think many frustrations are just expressed now, with this new patch, but are the sum of two years of developments and communications 'bugs'... perhaps two many time between beta release and final releases... perhaps too many bugs not enough quickly corrected, perhaps too many promisses not totally respected...

Здравствуйте. У меня следующие параметры интернета. Провайдер Билайн (в прошлом Корбина, еще раньше Корпорация exe). Соединение с интернетом через Роутер Asus (Домашняя сеть), далее, через VPN в интернет с динамическим внешним IP. Теперь о проблеме: Я не смог создать сервер, таким образом, чтобы его было видно из интернета. (Т.е. с внешним IP когда VPN от моего комьпютера все работает, но из домашней сети - никак) Роутер Asus. Ну и вопросы по полочкам: 1. Работает ли игра с NAT? И есть ли особенности при перегруженном варианте соединения (маскарадинг)? 2. "Рецепт" настройки роутера для того, чтобы организовать сервер, видимый из интернета. 3. Частное решение проблеммы (Соединение двух компьютеров из разный частных сетей). Т.е. в интернете-поиске программы не обязательно видеть сервер. Как вариант, просто для конкретного IP прописать маршрутизацию в системе для данной сессии. 4. Многие ошибки несовместимости, (Игра работает, а как запускаю Skype, TC, Ventrilo, мама входит в сеть на своем буке и т.д. Игра начинает тормозить/вылетает) могут происходить из-за ошибок NAT но уже не как игра сервер, а игра - клиент. Есть ли какой-нибудь рецепт выявления таких проблем? Заранее спасибо.

I'm seriously impressed by all those comments on prices. 1. Because a DCS-Module compared to, let's say a Need for Speed title, is really cheap, regarding what you get. I'd happily pay 100$ for a DCS-Module and I am very happy it only costs 50-60$. 2. All you guys putting hundreds to thousands of dollars into your machine and additional toys (TIR, HOTAS, etc), really complain about paying such a small amount of money about once a year??? Come on... 3. If it doesn't meet your expectations just don't buy it, instead of complaining. Just have a look how constantly ED keeps improving their products without asking for money. A lot of the A-10C patches came with additional functions and features. Now there is one package that needs to be paid and everybody comes along like he's asked to pay those 20 bucks each month. Just my 2 cent... And as always: I'll buy it, even though I'll never fly it! Keep up the good work ED!

Ясно, значит мои глюки с роутером буду смотреть. Возможно некорректно роутер обрабатывает запросы и теряет пакеты. Прбовал соединить две машины путем прописывания маршрутизации на конкретный IP. Через час гемора получилось. Но мой напарник заходил в игру и у него работала пауза. С паузы (Сервировал Я) снять его не смог. Он получал повреждения, картинки внешнего вида повреждений совпадают. Но вот никакими кнопками с паузы Я его снять не смог. При соединении напрямую все работало корректно. (Напрямую, когда Я цеплялся к ВПН прямо, а не через роутер) Да, и коннект через 10308 у меня никак не получается в игре, после смены номера порта норм соединяет. Вроде пока все. Буду думать в чем прабла. На след неделе другой роутер новенький будет, попробую с ним, возможно глюки прошивки. Спасибо, Народ:joystick:

Просто у тебя очень маленький вес репутации, чтобы можно было увидеть изменения. Ты своим плюсом добавил ему только +3 к репутации. Но пользователь увидит твой плюс в своем профиле.

ED isn't contractually obligated to sell games to people at a fixed price. At one point, it was said that it was "hoped" that they'd be able to make the two compatible within a reasonable timeframe. That doesn't equal a contract. Things happen. That analogy doesn't make any sense. They're the ones doing the work, they are entitled to set their pricing depending on the amount of work that was done. It never ceases to amaze me the intellectual leaps people will take to justify why they feel they're entitled to something for free.

And a small community will be fractioned even more. Far from the ideal single battlefield most of us would love to see one day.

Вот это действительно существенно! :thumbup:

Hello. my initial test is not good: in the Instant Action mission I got a solid 60 fps (with Helios) in 1.02. I finally found out how to run BS2 with my two monitor setup and now get 24 fps. will try tweaking...

I am surprised there is still debate over price after 57 pages. ED, may I ask when the project to start BS2 began? That may shed some light on the subject for those that are unhappy with the price point. Updates like this don't happen over night, and I am willing to bet it was a long process. Perhaps the sudden, stealthy release is causing the misconception that this was a simple undertaking. To those who are complaining: Patch, update, expansion, call it what you will but ED had to dedicate work-hours and personnel to get the product to market. If YOU were part of the team who has been working on this update since who knows how long, how would you feel if you didn't get paid? Edit: Another option for those who are unhappy, BS1 is still the same great product it always was. Just because BS2 was released does not subtract anything from BS1.

у ЕД только один движок где эта модульность? как она заметна для пользователя?

I've read through 55 pages (yes, a do need a aspirin now. And yes, i'm bored at work) Call of duty DLC - 13,99€ (few maps and weaps added) Farm Simulator DLC 3 - 7,99€ (you get a new plow and some other 'hot' stuff) Starcraft 2 will release 'expansions' aka. DLC with two new singleplayer campaigns. I can bet my salury that they will cost 29,99€ each. WOW is 12€ish per month! 20$ is nothing for BS2, stop complaining please. If you don't like it, don't buy it, don't play it. And for the love of everything, stop making crap posts in this thread, make a whine thread instead.

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Нужет ФАК по установке ЧА2. та как вопросов к концу дня ещё больше появится

Я лично не люблю стим, луше просто приложение для активации разных версий.

On the steam it could be released like as a DLC if you ask me. When you'll be downloading the blackshark the Steam could ask you if you want the game with upgrade for playing with DCS:W users or nonupgraded for playing with FC2 users. my 2c tho

Он за НАТ, так что скорее всего не получится. Единственный вариант, купить у провайдера белый ip, у всех провайдеров эта услуга присутствует.

тогда вероятно нужно копать связку за рутером, на уровне VPN. общая идея такая - если получится протащить порт наружу, то больше симу для работы сервером по идее ничего не надо. правда, протащить нужно и TCP и UDP.

http://z-max.narod.ru/Text/TextAvia.html По ссылке курс боевой подготовки армейской авиации, в заданиях указаны параметры полета. Ну а к примеру "горка с набором такой-то высоты", то это делается в зависимости от возможностей и ограничений вертолёта. В руководстве к акуле указаны эти рекомендации.

No - you only have BS2. They are two separate, independent products - like chalk and cheese.

That might be another $10-20 bucks.

Personally I don't mind the current schedule but what Kuky is right about is the fact that this kind of system just doesn't work. They must have a unified base package on which to build upon. This will very quickly become impossible for ED. They must be completely aware of it and that's what worries me here. They cannot but dump the compatibility idea between each module with current way of doing this... Each time a new module is released it will take more and more time to do the compatibility patch for previous ones and it's already been a long time since the Warthog has been released. :(

@ kuky's post +1

Подскажите, а в английской версии надписи в кабине КА-50 русские?

Yeah really ticked off about that too. Got into it because of steam. Definitely holding off buying any other products (was eyeing off A-10c too dammit) if we are just going to be left swinging. Reconsider ED. That is all.

If you've got enough money to buy a computer that can run DCS: Black Shark, then you have enough money to pay a measly TWENTY DOLLARS to support the hobby of flight simming. It's not like these games grow on trees. It's not like the ED team are our personal slave laborers entitled to pour thousands of man hours into compatibility patches for FREE, especially when they were never promised for free. Personally, I'm getting tired of hearing the complaints...

Wow I can't wait to fly this new beauty! So many new exciting features that I'm definately ready to pay for it! +1 I've had doubts for long that this current module system won't last. It will become extremely complex to make compatibility patches for every single module. It's going to be a DCS: Nightmare for ED in the future. I'm really afraid that this system will become too heavy and they will stop making previous modules compatible and thus break the DCS world where all the DCS standard aircraft can fly in the same environment and create a complex and realistic battlefield simulation. It has to be something like the other simulation series to be actually modular. Right now the game is built around a single aircraft when all the aircraft should be built around a single simulation platform (hope that made sense).

I was on the fence about buying BS. I've had A-10C for a few months and love it, and having BS working in the same environment has pretty much sealed the deal for me. I seriously can't believe how much bitching has gone on here. If you've spent the money on a system that can run this, it's petty to have a whinge at $20 for a patch. Hell, it's a bargain at five times the price. It's no wonder there are so few companies developing flight sims, we must be the most petty and childish market in the software world. The fact that such great support is available for a game published in 2008 is remarkable. Keep it up, guys. I'm very much looking forward to the compatibility patch.

Отлично! Отлегло...

I know it's 3:30 AM because I was now tempted to debate the philosophical point of whether that includes the statement itself, and if so, if things then stop being subject to change... Bah... Time for sleep. I should be able to get at least 4 hours... :D

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Current TARS changes being worked on (now that Black Shark 2 is out) include compatibility with BS2 and the very latest Teamspeak 3. Adjusting channel balance based on the transmitting radio was something I was thinking about doing for awhile. It would probably work best if I made this a customizable feature. That way people could turn it off if they wanted to. What does everyone think?

What were you going to launch?:D

Спасибо! Правда хотелось бы иметь такой функционал сразу в игре.

По п.4: Существует программка tacwiev. Очень полезна для разбора полетов. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=17255