Syrian Map Discussion

[Airhunter]

I hope it releases ratehr soon. Same goes for the announced new free map.

[Capn Penguin]

Delevero, you get a gold star. That was fantastic super sleuth work.

 

Well done man

[Mr_sukebe]

Good spot OP.

Not that I'll be buying Syria, at least until Ugra introduce Speedtrees and the VR enhancement into Normandy.

[Ala13_ManOWar]

At 1:55 I believe its Beirut, Lebanon

Seems so. Dunno who the author is but this is badass.

 

 

 

 

S!

[Oceandar]

That is huge area. I wish most of it would be populated.

[The Falcon]

gorgeous

[nanucq]

500 km map, that's lovely :P

[Goa]

this is gonna be the best map ever created for DCS.

[ESA_maligno]

will we have Cyprus?

 

:music_whistling:

[Surrexen]

I wonder if we are going to get the Free Syrian Army faction added into the faction list when the Syria map comes out. Anyone know if ED has said anything about factions being added?

[Silvern]

will we have Cyprus?

 

:music_whistling:

 

+1

ED, if you're reading this, at least consider including Cyprus as a low-detailed area - hopefully don't omit the whole landmass.

 

 

 

 

Although the map is only 610*440km, so Cyprus will most likely not be included.

 

https://ugra-media.ru/2018/proekt-blizhnij-vostok/

Edited May 26, 2019 by Silvern

[QuiGon]

A lot of this has been thoroughly discussed in the other thread, like the Cyprus question:

I doubt it will be included though. I base my opinion on two factors.

 

1. No mention on the project website.

2. Take a map and measure 610 x 440 km in the region, you will see that including Cyprus cuts off a huge chunk of Syria from the map. Something like this:

 

 

Then, the project does not mention a lot in terms of Israel neither and with a map like the one above, there would be much more to mention. Just my opinion.

 

 

That thread also has a lot of screenshots of the map, like here:

New pics

 

 

 

 

 

[Airhunter]

Can't wait for this map actually.

[Wali763]

Syria

 

The announcement-vid for the F-16C seems to have been made on the Syria.map.

 

 

The big city at the end of the vid should be Beirut.

Edited May 27, 2019 by Wali763

[Mr_sukebe]

Ugra and the Syria map

 

Like a good number of us, I have to say that I was very impressed by the visuals on the Syria map.

 

As a player who already owns most of the modules (i.e. all but 2 of the already released ones, and the F16 is pre-ordered), you’d expect that I’d be fully lined up to buy the Syria map.

The answer is “not quite”.

Unfortunately for Ugra, I’m also an owner of the Normandy map, which I actually really like, but has two key stumbling blocks, i.e.

- Speedtrees has never been implemented

- The upcoming 50% VR enhancement sounds like it might not happen

 

What I’d like is for Ugra to give me confidence that they actually support their maps, and in this case, and for myself, that means I won’t be buying the Syria map until there is at least a solid commitment that they’ll be introducing Speedtrees AND the VR enhancement to the Normandy map.

 

 

For any other players who feel it’s appropriate to add to this thread, then please, keep it civil and polite. This is about voicing our thoughts on the matter to hopefully lead to a positive decision about the future roadmap for Normandy, not an excuse to insult any of the developers OR each other.

Edited May 28, 2019 by Mr_sukebe

[viper2097]

Stuff won't get finished.

Thats probably a neck breaker for DCS in the future if there is no big change coming.

I'm with you.

[Nealius]

I agree. I'm a VR-exclusive player now, and as much as I want to give the WW2 itch a try, I am still very much on the fence about the Normandy map for this very reason, and have little interest in the Syria map for the same reason--in addition to the fact we already have two desert maps, so a third is just beating a dead horse.

[philstyle]

In also cannot endorse another Ugra-media produced map.

 

 

The many inaccuracies and the lack of ongoing support for the Normandy map is evidence enough for me not to spend more on like products.

[Buzzles]

I have the same thoughts, until Normandy gets SpeedTrees and a few other updates (mostly runway/airfield changes), then I won't be touching the Syria map.

 

I do remember seeing a post that Ugra were going to return to Normandy once they'd finished the Syria map though, so we'll see I suppose.

 

I can only assume at this point they're a very small team, considering they've got no real online presence and their glacial pace of updates.

[Emmy]

My personal jury will remain out until I see some better details. So far it looks really monochromatic and devoid of details beyond white blocks for buildings.

Granted that it’s still WIP.

[schurem]

Ill be lapping it up. Looks great!

[draconus]

I get the demand for optimizations and bug fixes but expecting particular technology to be implemented (Speedtrees) is a little over the line, don't you think?

[Mr_sukebe]

I get the demand for optimizations and bug fixes but expecting particular technology to be implemented (Speedtrees) is a little over the line, don't you think?

 

No I don’t, but do let me explain.

 

There’s a few points here:

- Over time, we’ve seen a number of technical improvements to the game engine. Speedtrees just being one of them. I can’t help but think that we need to make a statement to not just Ugra, but also ED, that simply leaving older modules to “rot”, is just not good practice.

- I appreciate that ED have stated that this is an Ugra issue, and I get that. There is however a learning exercise here that I can’t help but think that a “solution” is either that the 3rd party developer agrees to implement future technical enhancements, or that the map is designed such that they can be implemented by ED themselves, both of which clearly need very specific contractual agreements in place

- Ongoing enhancements to maps is NOT free. I do get that. However, the Normandy map is still for sale and most of the time, at it’s normal retail price. So it’s not that Ugra and ED are not getting money for the map. Putting it another way, how many “potential” customers are being dissuaded from buying the map (which as I’ve stated earlier, I rather like), because of complaints about it’s performance due to a lack of speedtrees? That’s more of a question for ED, as clearly we can’t see the sales figures. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ve dropped to virtually nothing. So what’s better, leave it as is as the “map to avoid”, or spend money on it to make it sellable to future potential customers.

Do remember that we have the A8, P47 and Mosquito all incoming, all of which “may” bring in fresh customers, some of whom are going to want to have a European map to fly it on. How many will take a sniff around, read that the Normandy map is dead and simply not bother.

 

Finally, this isn’t a thread just for me to have a moan.

This is “our” opportunity to explain politely to ED and Urga how we feel about the subject.

Surely it’s better that we do that and articulate our reasons, rather than simply keep our mouths closed and just quietly not buy the Syria map?

[ams999]

For the same reasons I'm also holding off the Syria map.

[tintifaxl]

Same here.