DCS Newsletter discussion 7th October 2022 - Normandy 2 | MB-339 Development report

[BIGNEWY]

10 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

Not gonna buy two maps for the second time.

you dont need to, it is optional, and wont restrict your current use of the terrain in multiplayer or campaigns 

If you do decide to upgrade the discount option are nice. DCS: Normandy 2 will be available as a complete map for $59.99 USD. If you have either DCS: Normandy 1944 or DCS: The Channel maps, you can purchase Normandy 2 for $14.99 USD. If you own both, you can purchase DCS: Normandy 2 for only $9.99 USD.

thanks

[Hiob]

16 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

Not gonna buy two maps for the second time.

 

That MB-339, tho!

We will see! 

[Cowboy10uk]

Wow, Normandy 2.0 is a dream come true.  Join up two existing maps areas together and then expand it south to cover Paris, plus upgrading the graphics and models of the existing maps, all for just $9.99 so you’ll literally just paying for the expanded new portion.    
 

What is not to like. 
 

It’s been stated for years what a missed opportunity it was to have 2 maps covering the same front but not be able to use them together.

 

instant purchase. 
 

not to mention that MB-339 sneaked up on me, wasn’t at all intrested, but I wasn’t aware of the weapon capabilities at that time……

 

oh my poor wallet.

[DishDoggie]

This is What I like about ED in regards to taking care of its customers I own Both maps and am Happy to see I will get such a Awesome Deal on this Normandy 2 map Looking forward to seeing all it from London to Paris in my P-51

[Beirut]

Loving that map news. It looks like it will be a great upgrade, and the discount is just fine, thank you. 

 

Now take my money and gimme my F-15E... please. 

[Angelthunder]

So let me get this straight,the Normandy 2 map will include the updated Channel map too for 14 dollars since i already have the original Normandy map.

[NineLine]

3 hours ago, Raviar said:

I have Both Maps, and 10USD is nothing to discuss about BUT I believe it is not fair ! the business model is not what I expected, its not about money or price tag its about strategy! are we going to see Syria2, PG2, Nevada2, Sinai2, Pen2 ... F-5_2, Hornet2 ?! thats the question 

 

The amount of work this team has put into this map update is incredible, its not an easy skill to learn, its artistic in nature. 9.99 if you own the original map and the Channel map is more than fair in our minds. 

As for your comment on upgrades, there is a simple choice here. You dont buy the upgrade. If you do not want to pay for extra work, that a real human puts in time to do, then you do not have to get it. Its been the same for the A-10C II, will be the same for Black Shark 3, etc. You dont have to buy them, but please dont suggest we should give everything away for free this is not sustainable. 

We already do give a lot for free within the core.

Thanks.

23 minutes ago, Angelthunder said:

So let me get this straight,the Normandy 2 map will include the updated Channel map too for 14 dollars since i already have the original Normandy map.

Not sure how your math works, but the Channel is not being updated.

Normandy map is having some previously low or non-detailed areas added. If you own the original map and/or the Channel map you get a discount.

DCS: Normandy 2 will be available as a complete map for $59.99 USD. If you have either DCS: Normandy 1944 or DCS: The Channel maps, you can purchase Normandy 2 for $14.99 USD. If you own both, you can purchase DCS: Normandy 2 for only $9.99 USD.

[Exorcet]

3 hours ago, Raviar said:

I have Both Maps, and 10USD is nothing to discuss about BUT I believe it is not fair ! the business model is not what I expected, its not about money or price tag its about strategy!

Work deserves pay, I don't see the problem. DCS has an amazing price model compared to other games that make you gamble, subscribe and drain your bank account, or create problems so they can sell solutions that aren't needed in the first place.

3 hours ago, Raviar said:

 

are we going to see Syria2, PG2, Nevada2, Sinai2, Pen2 ... F-5_2, Hornet2 ?! thats the question 

 

I hope all of those exist eventually.

[Gunfreak]

I'm particularly happy the campaigns will work on the new map.

 

However, one question. Channel map has snow textures for winter. Will the new larger Normandy map have that? Or will we still need to use the Channel map for winter missions in ww2?

[NineLine]

3 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

I'm particularly happy the campaigns will work on the new map.

 

However, one question. Channel map has snow textures for winter. Will the new larger Normandy map have that? Or will we still need to use the Channel map for winter missions in ww2?

There is no info right now if the details from the Channel map will be added to Normandy 2.0, right now only ownership of the Channel benefits your discount price, not the content. When we have an answer on that we will share.

As for Campaigns, our hope is they will be compatible with little to no work, poor Reflected works hard enough as it is. 

[Baco]

10 bucks for bigger better, works for me. i was like Nah i don´t use Normandy at all, but 10 bucks is  a bargain...

That said, i would have preferred a new theater also. maybe Tobruk + Gulf of Sidra...

 

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Baco

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, NineLine said:

poor Reflected works hard enough as it is. 

 

 ... he has in a relatively short time become one of the premier Campaign makers, I enjoy not only his Campaigns, but also his original tutorials and the general way he interacts with his users. I hope he is doing well enough to hire some mission editors to help him keep his Campaigns updated 

[Northstar98]

2 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Is DCS moving quicker to a world map than previous anticipated?

This new technology is certainly promising, but I really hope ED are also thinking about having maps that actually fit on the surface of a sphere, instead of the flat Earth model we currently have.

That said, I'm pleased with this announcement.

Edited October 7, 2022 by Northstar98

[Knock-Knock]

Looking forward to Normandy 2 .
Should have called it 'Strait of Dover' or something though .

[Mar28]

Very Happy !

Question When? Its taking to much time

[Angelthunder]

33 minutes ago, NineLine said:

The amount of work this team has put into this map update is incredible, its not an easy skill to learn, its artistic in nature. 9.99 if you own the original map and the Channel map is more than fair in our minds. 

As for your comment on upgrades, there is a simple choice here. You dont buy the upgrade. If you do not want to pay for extra work, that a real human puts in time to do, then you do not have to get it. Its been the same for the A-10C II, will be the same for Black Shark 3, etc. You dont have to buy them, but please dont suggest we should give everything away for free this is not sustainable. 

We already do give a lot for free within the core.

Thanks.

Not sure how your math works, but the Channel is not being updated.

Normandy map is having some previously low or non-detailed areas added. If you own the original map and/or the Channel map you get a discount.

DCS: Normandy 2 will be available as a complete map for $59.99 USD. If you have either DCS: Normandy 1944 or DCS: The Channel maps, you can purchase Normandy 2 for $14.99 USD. If you own both, you can purchase DCS: Normandy 2 for only $9.99 USD.

So it's just the updated version of Normandy i already have because i don't have the Channel map.Will the updated map include the English Channel region or is it still going to be a separate map that i have to buy.

Edited October 7, 2022 by Angelthunder

[ThorBrasil]

I hope in the future I can see Nevada 2.

[Joe1978]

10 bucks for a good upgrade is a good deal for both parties:

You don`t have to pay a new module and the people who have worked on the new update receive their salary. Win to Win

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

58 minutes ago, Exorcet said:

Work deserves pay, I don't see the problem. DCS has an amazing price model compared to other games that make you gamble, subscribe and drain your bank account, or create problems so they can sell solutions that aren't needed in the first place.

I don't know man, but the last part, in red, will happen definitely.

As I have no plan the N. Aussie map, if someone is not a fan of what Nom2 brings, it is fine, but I see USD 10.00 for the upgrade to 2 maps, I am in.

Edited October 7, 2022 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants

[Gunfreak]

49 minutes ago, NineLine said:

There is no info right now if the details from the Channel map will be added to Normandy 2.0, right now only ownership of the Channel benefits your discount price, not the content. When we have an answer on that we will share.

As for Campaigns, our hope is they will be compatible with little to no work, poor Reflected works hard enough as it is. 

Yes, it would be awesome to have all of reflected campaigns on one map. Also if you feel bad for Reflected,  you could fix the Spitfire over-cooling problem, he mentioned in one of his vidoes. That would probably save him some headaches.

[ThorBrasil]

@BIGNEWY or @NineLine Will the MB339A have all the sounds recorded from the real aircraft at launch? I loved working on Mirage F1. It gave the module another life.

Edited October 8, 2022 by ThorBrasil

[Mr_sukebe]

$10, bargaintastic.  Where do I sign up?

[Hiob]

2 hours ago, NineLine said:

 

Not sure how your math works, but the Channel is not being updated.

Normandy map is having some previously low or non-detailed areas added. If you own the original map and/or the Channel map you get a discount.

 

Hi @NineLine, now you got me a little confused. A square from London to Paris also covers the area of the channel map as well. And the promo pictures clearly show details from that area, too. So I figured, regardless of the name, the new map will cover both legacy areas. No?

[Devil 505]

For those saying the WW2 maps are not big enough for ED to do a proper WW2 Bomber, I would like to hear the argument now.  We have a 4 engine C-130 on the way so no more it cannot be done.  In my opinion, The B-17 would have just as much Hype at the ED level as the F-4, Tornado, or Apache.  The thought of a multiplayer B17 or B24 along with escorts into France and back would be a blast.

Also, the ability to still record sounds inside these 2 icons and get photogrammetry of them would not be difficult.  The CAF has several down the street from me here.  I see them routinely during the summer bouncing around for airshows.  I was down in Galveston a few years back and the pilots were practicing for upcoming shows at Scholes Airport.  Watching a B-25, B-24, and B-17 do touch in goes and patterns around the field kept the goosebumps up until I left.  We need these beasts brought to DCS.

Edited October 7, 2022 by Devil 505

[DD_Fenrir]

20 minutes ago, Hiob said:

Hi @NineLine, now you got me a little confused. A square from London to Paris also covers the area of the channel map as well. And the promo pictures clearly show details from that area, too. So I figured, regardless of the name, the new map will cover both legacy areas. No?

Yes and no...

If Paris establishes the Eastern and Southern limit of Normandy 2 then, yes, most of the territory covered the Channel map also falls into this area. The Channel map will still be a separate module and map.

Does this render the Channel map moot?

No.

2 Reasons.

1. Multiplayer performance- Syria is still quite demanding performance wise on an average machine; it must be assumed that Normandy 2 may come with a similar performance hit. The Channel map can be used to provide more focussed scenarios at lesser impact, good for MP environment.

2. Future expansion - if the technology that allows Normandy to be so substantially expanded can also be applied to the Channel map itself, we could potentially see an eastward expansion of the Channel map to include most of the Netherlands, Belgium and Western Germany almost as far East as Bremen; it would also allow East Anglia of the UK to be modelled and a range of the air bases therein used by the 8th Air Force B-17s, P-51s and P-47s in the daylight strategic bombing campaign against Germany. This will allow some reasonably authentic bomber escort missions to be recreated, as well as provide a home for scenarios for the 9th and 2nd Tactical Air Forces based on the continent in the winter of 1944-45; this would also provide a prototypical environment for the Fw 190D-9 and the Bf 109K-4 to finally be used in.