Custom CMDS Lua now breaking IC?

[Moonshine]

Been using custom CMDS programs so far with no issues, after the recent update now it breaks IC. This happens even when the adjustments are made within the parameters that you can tune when changing the CMDS in the cockpit itself.

 

is there an alternative way to set up CMDS default profiles that use non standard values or do i have to manually adjust the programs every time i start the plane again?

[Recoil16]

I'm afraid you will have to adjust your programs manually until such time as we either get DTC or this IC change is (partially) reverted.

[Nealius]

Yeah, I don't have time to go through all the clicking involved to set up CMS programs that don't waste all my expendables with a single button press, every single time I fly. The Viper and Hornet are getting shelved until this is fixed.

[BIGNEWY]

Hi all,

 

IC changes were made to prevent known cheats and exploits being used. 

 

please list the legitimate mods and apps that are effected and we will pass this on to the team.

 

thank you

[TJpek]

-Vaicom Pro, a mod that allows you to use the radio by talking instead of hitting the F keys on your keyboard, or to talk to jester instead of using the wheel, doesn't work anymore. Here's a link to their website: VAICOM PRO - About

[Convexrook]

2 minutes ago, TJpek said:

-Vaicom Pro, a mod that allows you to use the radio by talking instead of hitting the F keys on your keyboard, or to talk to jester instead of using the wheel, doesn't work anymore. Here's a link to their website: VAICOM PRO - About

ha, funny, it works fine for me.

[LieutenantFalcon]

Modifying CMDS files should be fine for exploits, you're just modifying the counter measure profiles

 

Mods\aircraft\F-16C\Cockpit\Scripts\EWS\CMDS\device\CMDS_ALE47.lua for the F-16C

 

Mods\aircraft\FA-18C\Cockpit\Scripts\TEWS\device\CMDS_ALE47.lua for the F/A-18C

[SFJackBauer]

Just now, Convexrook said:

ha, funny, it works fine for me.

On multiplayer?

[Bailey]

Hello, I am the creator of DiCE, a popular mod that enables you to use the ingame special menu to change aircraft countermeasure profiles, much like the JF17.  Here is the forum thread with links to the ED Userfiles download, UI pictures, and the Github which contains the code for DiCE itself. https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/247605-dice-dcs-integrated-countermeasure-editor-by-bailey

 

I have confirmed that changes to these files do not pass IC. I as well as others in the community believe that DiCE is a legitimate mod.

[MYSE1234]

25 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Hi all,

 

IC changes were made to prevent known cheats and exploits being used. 

 

please list the legitimate mods and apps that are effected and we will pass this on to the team.

 

thank you

Hi,
My mod for the Viggen RWR is being "blocked" by IC after today's patch.

In my mind it's not really able to be exploitable, but adds more and more realistic sounds to the otherwise very inaccurate RWR that is in there by default.

[de.Impact]

Mods\aircraft\FA-18C\Cockpit\Scripts\Multipurpose_Display_Group\Common\indicator\MDG_strokesDefs.lua

 

for better MFD readability... 

[Alesia_Aisela]

Same for the F-5 RWR Fix

 and the MiG-21 (I imagine, since sound mods seem to have been broken in general)
 

Both fixes for old/persistent bugs and inaccuracies.

[derammo]

It appears that viewport export changes are no longer allowed:

- we need to rename exported viewport names like LEFT_MFCD to make them unique across aircraft

 

It appears that adding viewport export calls is no longer allowed:

 

- we need to export things like RWR that are not exported by default

 

This affects all Helios users (approximately 2000 DCS users, we don't track users exactly) and all cockpit builders who use additional displays for things like RWR.

Helios also changes rendering settings in fonts.lua and across several instruments files (MFDs and such) to make exported viewports look legible on the F/A-18C.   I can see that this could be considered an IC violation, so I would say this last part is optional but really convenient.

[edit: attached a diff of changes made by Helios against a recent DCS release, for example]

Helios.diff

Edited September 17, 2021 by derammo

[andyn]

The F-5E is now unplayable in PvP multiplayer and PvE multiplayer on servers that use IC. This RWR mod has been widely considered a legitimate fix as the underlying issue has not been fixed for more than four years now.

Edited September 17, 2021 by andyn

[dorianR666]

18 minutes ago, derammo said:

It appears that adding viewport export calls is no longer allowed:

jfc...

this means dcs lost multiplayer support as far as im concerned.

[Hollywood_315]

Hi,

 

VAICOM PRO dev here. 
https://forums.eagle.ru/forum/329-vaicom/
https://www.vaicompro.com/

 

Confirmed VAICOM PRO plugin currently no longer passes IC in DCS .12852 open beta.
cockpit/scripts/device_init.lua referenced.
Only becomes apparent once entering a slot: before green shields are shown. 
No such issues in DCS stable version .10869

 

Thanks,
Hollywood

[jonsky7]

FFS!

 

Well that's completely ruined my multi-monitor setup.... great!

 

Can't even move simple displays like the controls indicator, or crew indicator in the Mi8 or Huey, how would they be exploitable?

Edited September 17, 2021 by jonsky7

[Rissala]

I thought these were supposed to be edited :(((.

Why on earth would you not allow these. It is just 3 programs I wan't to edit....

[Warhog]

I have a FULL A10C cockpit built over 8 years.  This change that ED has made screws up so many of my panels… no RWR export, no CDU display export, etc.

Please fix this.

[acceleraptor]

1 hour ago, derammo said:

It appears that viewport export changes are no longer allowed:

- we need to rename exported viewport names like LEFT_MFCD to make them unique across aircraft

 

It appears that adding viewport export calls is no longer allowed:

 

- we need to export things like RWR that are not exported by default

 

This affects all Helios users (approximately 2000 DCS users, we don't track users exactly) and all cockpit builders who use additional displays for things like RWR.

Helios also changes rendering settings in fonts.lua and across several instruments files (MFDs and such) to make exported viewports look legible on the F/A-18C.   I can see that this could be considered an IC violation, so I would say this last part is optional but really convenient.

[edit: attached a diff of changes made by Helios against a recent DCS release, for example]

Helios.diff 42.91 kB · 3 downloads

 

 

+1 on Helios being completely broken- it's a huge part of my being able to easily manage MFDs in the A-10, F18, and F-16. BIGNEWY- this page should have a list of the files that Helios modifies for you to pass along to the developers:

 

https://github.com/HeliosVirtualCockpit/Helios/tree/master/Patching/Patches/DCS

 

This change was clearly not thought through... If mods are going to be whitelisted manually, how do we verify those? Does every unique release of mods have to be whitelisted? Are these then tied all of a sudden to DCS releases? 

[Destarn]

2 minutes ago, Rissala said:

I thought these were supposed to be edited :(((.

Why on earth would you not allow these. It is just 3 programs I wan't to edit....

CMDS Profiles should be excluded from breaking IC until we get a panel in special options to modify them or until we get the DTC. 

[acceleraptor]

2 hours ago, derammo said:

It appears that viewport export changes are no longer allowed:

- we need to rename exported viewport names like LEFT_MFCD to make them unique across aircraft

 

It appears that adding viewport export calls is no longer allowed:

 

- we need to export things like RWR that are not exported by default

 

This affects all Helios users (approximately 2000 DCS users, we don't track users exactly) and all cockpit builders who use additional displays for things like RWR.

Helios also changes rendering settings in fonts.lua and across several instruments files (MFDs and such) to make exported viewports look legible on the F/A-18C.   I can see that this could be considered an IC violation, so I would say this last part is optional but really convenient.

[edit: attached a diff of changes made by Helios against a recent DCS release, for example]

Helios.diff 42.91 kB · 3 downloads

 

 

And @derammo - i'd bet 2000 users is conservative...  Probably my favorite piece of flight sim sotware TBH.

[NineLine]

2 hours ago, Alesia_Aisela said:

Same for the F-5 RWR Fix

 and the MiG-21 (I imagine, since sound mods seem to have been broken in general)
 

Both fixes for old/persistent bugs and inaccuracies.

I am still waiting to hear back on the team from this, there is some internal discussion that this is working as expected, and the functions being asked for are from a different version. So will look at that again.

[Foogle]

Viewport adjustment is broken; You've bricked my simpit for MP. Excellent work .

[Tippis]

33 minutes ago, NineLine said:

I am still waiting to hear back on the team from this, there is some internal discussion that this is working as expected, and the functions being asked for are from a different version. So will look at that again.

There exists exactly zero evidence to support that stance and an overwhelming amount of evidence to support that the RWR actually functions as an intelligently designed RWR. If those internal doubters have anything to say to try to bolster their case, present it, otherwise it will — entirely correctly — continue to be seen as an inaccurate and bugged implementation.

 

There's an argument to be made that the F-5 has the wrong RWR, but that is something very different. In that case, the proper solution would be to give it the correct and properly functioning RWR, not to keep the wrong and incorrectly modelled one.

 

In a way the same thing goes for this entire IC debacle: is there any actual evidence to support the notion that the supposed problems that this is meant to fix even exist? The simple fact of the matter is that this wholesale banning of much-needed adjustments has broken the game. I hope this was not the intent and that the breakage will be fixed in short order.

Edited September 17, 2021 by Tippis