Rongor Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) This is the crappiest radar I saw in any of my DCS module so far. I can't even detect a MiG21 which is in visual range ahead of my nose. It's basically blind. Can we get rid of it to enjoy a lighter aircraft This way we then maybe can at least make flying this brick a bit more enjoyable... Edited August 2, 2022 by Rongor 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD_Fenrir Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Wow. Salty! 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sedenion Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rongor said: This is the crappiest radar I saw in any of my DCS module so far. I can't even detect a MiG21 which is in visual range ahead of my nose. It's basically blind. Can we get rid of it to enjoy a lighter aircraft This way we then maybe can at least make flying this brick a bit more enjoyable... For once, I found the radar performances pretty decent... the visual render may need a little love (the green appear a bit artifical, analogical display a little "too perfect", but these are details). I don't know the performances of the real Cyrano IV, but I think indeed you should not expect outstanding performances... It is able to lock a target at ~30 nm, IF you look up in the sky, if you look to the ground, this become harder. If you set the scanning mode to BPZ TEL (the little switch very well hidden on the left wall, "Telemeter/zone scanning switch" in controls) you should be able to lock (automatically) anything in visual range in front of you. (Why the hell enginers placed this switch at this odd place ?) Edited August 2, 2022 by sedenion 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted August 2, 2022 ED Team Share Posted August 2, 2022 59 minutes ago, Rongor said: This is the crappiest radar I saw in any of my DCS module so far. I can't even detect a MiG21 which is in visual range ahead of my nose. It's basically blind. Can we get rid of it to enjoy a lighter aircraft This way we then maybe can at least make flying this brick a bit more enjoyable... Please keep the feedback constructive, I would suggest you add a track replay showing an example, maybe the other F1 guys can give you some pointers. 12 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some1 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 34 minutes ago, sedenion said: If you set the scanning mode to BPZ (the little switch very well hidden on the left wall, "Telemeter/zone scanning switch" in controls) you should be able to lock (automatically) anything in visual range in front of you. (Why the hell enginers placed this switch at this odd place ?) It's because it's conveniently located next to the pilot's hand resting on the throttle. Dogfight switch in the F-14 is in a similar location. 11 Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cab Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 41 minutes ago, sedenion said: Why the hell enginers placed this switch at this odd place ? These days we take the HOTAS concept for granted, but it wasn't always a thing. If I remember correctly, the first jet that really made use of it was the F-15. For its day the Mirage F1 designers and pilots probably thought the placement of that switch was a pretty good solution. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Rongor said: This is the crappiest radar I saw in any of my DCS module so far. I can't even detect a MiG21 which is in visual range ahead of my nose. It's basically blind. Can we get rid of it to enjoy a lighter aircraft This way we then maybe can at least make flying this brick a bit more enjoyable... Welcome to the early 70's sir... 10 The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhinozherous Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Rongor said: This is the crappiest radar I saw in any of my DCS module so far. I can't even detect a MiG21 which is in visual range ahead of my nose. It's basically blind. Can we get rid of it to enjoy a lighter aircraft This way we then maybe can at least make flying this brick a bit more enjoyable... Fly F18 if you want a full fletched out radar... 1 i7-14700KF 5.6GHz Water Cooled /// ZOTAC RTX 4070 TI Super 16GB /// 32GB RAM DDR5 /// Win11 /// SSDs only DCS - XP12 - MSFS2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango3B Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, joey45 said: Welcome to the early 70's sir... Indeed, Joey45. And when you consider the age of the Cyrano IV radar and the fact that France was a little bit behind the US at that time when it comes to more sophisticated radar thechnology I think France actually fitted the F1 with quite a capable package. The Cyrano can do a lot of things surprisingly well. That said, the Cyrano IV is actually quite decent in DCS and I have absolutely zero problems finding targets with it. Why? Because I know exactly what it can do and what it cannot do. I think, people need to understand that the F1 is no F16. Also, people need to understand that radar technology from the 60s or 70s has very severe limitations concerning its overall capabilities but once you know how to handle this technology it can actually perform very well in the right hands. And it does in DCS, too. If you fly on a certain Cold War server where everyone and his mother is flying treetop level just do not expect this radar to perform well. It just will not do that for you and this is totally realistic. Sure, AERGES still has some work to do on the Cyrano but this radar is absolutely usable and far from being crappy. And there is an old saying. Practice makes perfect, right? Edited August 2, 2022 by Tango3B 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baaz Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) Can I request the Mirage F1's radar be used to upgrade the F-5's? I mean, compared to the F-5's, this radar is gold. Edited August 2, 2022 by Baaz 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NakedSquirrel Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Baaz said: Can I request the Mirage F1's radar be used to upgrade the F-5's? I mean, compared to the F-5's, this radar is gold. I think for that, you would have to get a time machine and convince Northrop that the F-5 ought to be developed with a better radar system in mind. The primary purpose of the F5 radar is for guns and sidewinders. It isn't BVR capable and can't even guide Aim-7 Sparrows. The F1 has a reasonably good radar. The range on the Cyrano IV is more than double that of the Sapfir in the Mig21, but the Mig21 is a small target, even the modern jets like the f16 have difficulty picking them out at distance. The Cyrano has look down capability, but that doesn't mean it's good at it. PD Radars have an easier time finding targets against an empty sky than they do in ground clutter. The mig21 is a smart design in that it doesn't let you point the radar dish down, probably with the idea that it wouldn't be able to distinguish contacts below you even if it could point down, so you're forced to search for targets above you. Also remember that TL mode is limited to ~7km, so you'll have to be pretty close to get a lock. 2 Modules: A10C, AV8, M2000C, AJS-37, MiG-21, MiG-19, MiG-15, F86F, F5E, F14A/B, F16C, F18C, P51, P47, Spitfire IX, Bf109K, Fw190-D, UH-1, Ka-50, SA342 Gazelle, Mi8, Christian Eagle II, CA, FC3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakaway Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 13 hours ago, Rongor said: This is the crappiest radar I saw in any of my DCS module so far. I can't even detect a MiG21 which is in visual range ahead of my nose. It's basically blind. Can we get rid of it to enjoy a lighter aircraft This way we then maybe can at least make flying this brick a bit more enjoyable... Speak for yourself, I've had no issues, and the fact you call this bird a brick makes me question your pilot abilities. Maybe ask for help instead of blurting childish posts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 14 hours ago, Rongor said: This is the crappiest radar … Why did you purchased a 70’s aircraft instead of an F-16 or F-18 ? … what were you expecting? 9 For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvanK Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 "Also remember that TL mode is limited to ~7km, so you'll have to be pretty close to get a lock. " It should be limited to 6 NM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARM505 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 I was actually surprised how well this radar works. OP, are you trying to detect targets with a near zero relative velocity? Because its (obviously) bad at that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felixx75 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 3 hours ago, IvanK said: "Also remember that TL mode is limited to ~7km, so you'll have to be pretty close to get a lock. " It should be limited to 6 NM Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Kazansky Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Even with questioning the constructivity of those kind of OP's the thread has value. If it was a poll it would be 1 : 15 so far To get constructive myself: a trackfile showing the problems would probably help, as mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvanK Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 14 hours ago, felixx75 said: Why? The F1 manual states that TL mode scans from 400m to 6nm and locks on to the first target detected..... its basically a Boresight mode like other aircraft. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felixx75 Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, IvanK said: The F1 manual states that TL mode scans from 400m to 6nm and locks on to the first target detected..... its basically a Boresight mode like other aircraft. Page 86 It says 400-7000m Edited August 4, 2022 by felixx75 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedenion Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 (edited) Pretty clear in fact: The search area is between 0.2NM (400m) and 3.7NM (7km)... while the presented scale on the scope switches to its minimum range, which is 7NM (13km). What is confusing here, is that the scope scale is up to 7NM, while the actual search area is up to 7km (3.7NM). I guess CSF engineers designed radar internal computing and specifications in metric system then later created the displays and "user" parameters in NM to fit aeronautic standards. Edited August 4, 2022 by sedenion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodo Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 The radar is actually not bad. You just have to know how to use it. It is only really effective on a closing target inside 40nm. The radar isn't like modern easy to use radars. It scans pretty slow but if you cut it down to 30deg scan it's pretty quick. Just know that on left hand sweeps it's above right hand below. And sweeps 3 and 4 are closest to level with you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get_Lo Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 9 hours ago, felixx75 said: Page 86 It says 400-7000m 9 hours ago, sedenion said: Pretty clear in fact: The search area is between 0.2NM (400m) and 3.7NM (7km)... while the presented scale on the scope switches to its minimum range, which is 7NM (13km). What is confusing here, is that the scope scale is up to 7NM, while the actual search area is up to 7km (3.7NM). I guess CSF engineers designed radar internal computing and specifications in metric system then later created the displays and "user" parameters in NM to fit aeronautic standards. Yeah thats the Aerges manual, how about the real Cyrano manual Or how about the real flight manual 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 its only unfortunate that the Mirage F1 doesn't have IFF interrogate capability with the radar, when it was common for other aircraft to have such functions in that timeframe. Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get_Lo Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 Just now, Kev2go said: its only unfortunate that the Mirage F1 doesn't have IFF interrogate capability with the radar, when it was common for other aircraft to have such functions in that timeframe. Its not such a problem right now, but once we get the S530F I REALLY hope we have an AWACS Declare option, we will need it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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