DCS World 2.0 and New Maps Discussion Thread

[SkateZilla]

-P-51 Billboard

-Updated F-16 EDMs?

-More Apparent Reflection Shaders for Glass/Cockpits

[USCav]

I'm curious whether or not Ft. Irwin will be in the map because if you center the 360x360km area on Las Vegas or Creech AFB, Ft. Irwin sits comfortably inside. It doesn't have an impressive airfield, its a dirt strip just shy of 2 miles long, but it would be a nice addition for rotor craft.

 

If done right, it could even have Twentynine Palms too. But only just due to it being ~350km south/southwest of Area 51. The airfield at Twentynine Palms isn't too shabby either.

 

If this means I getting finally be the guy doing loops above hpNTC popping flares and jerking off in front of the grunts then I'll be a happy man.

 

But seriously, **** Ft. Irwin.

[WildBillKelsoe]

The sharped eyed of you...

 

Predator MQ-1 (or is it RQ-1??)

 

I would like to know the logic behind Nevada in context of mission creation and realism. I know that it is proving grounds in real life but do I expect historic accuracy to fall in with Nevada? Has there been any conflict on the grounds of Nevada? No.

 

So instead of developing a full 6DOF pitted craft for us to enjoy in Georgia which saw conflict (albeit 3 or 4 days), you go ahead and create Nevada.

 

Since I'm Arab, I'd like to know if I expect major conflicts to be represented in Nevada (now that Mig-21 Bis is on final, can one expect F4 phantom vs. Bis occuring in Nevada?)

 

Oh, and what happened to AT-802 (air tractor) module? is it nerfed??

[genbrien]

I would like to know the logic behind Nevada in context of mission creation and realism. I know that it is proving grounds in real life but do I expect historic accuracy to fall in with Nevada? Has there been any conflict on the grounds of Nevada? No.

Training/red flag/can do anything you want with it

 

So instead of developing a full 6DOF pitted craft for us to enjoy in Georgia which saw conflict (albeit 3 or 4 days), you go ahead and create Nevada.

what does a plane have to do with a new engine/terrain/map? Not the same guy working on that

 

 

 

Oh, and what happened to AT-802 (air tractor) module? is it nerfed??

not sur if trolling....

[RagnarDa]

I wouldn't mind a Red Dawn or World of Conflict scenario...

[Boberro]

As someone asked earlier, is this in-game images or model viewer?

 

For me 100% model viewer as there are no example lighting, images are ugly without shaders and other goodies.

[bkthunder]

Since I'm Arab, I'd like to know if I expect major conflicts to be represented in Nevada (now that Mig-21 Bis is on final, can one expect F4 phantom vs. Bis occuring in Nevada?)

 

Since you're Arab, I don't think you can expect [place name of an arabic country here] Mig-21s invading the U.S. and engaging retired F-4s over Nevada, not in the foreseable future at least.

Although if you were American or European, you could expect a number of active airframes (A-10, F-16 etc.) taking part in a multinational war exercise called Red Flag. That takes pace in Nevada, yearly.

Edited January 12, 2014 by bkthunder

[Cowboy10uk]

Wow just stunning, Nevada is really coming along well, although starting to wonder if my PC will be able to run that much detail.

 

On another question, I was wondering if A10 beta members will still get this map for free as part of the original package?

 

I only ask as it's taken a lot longer and you guys have put so so much more effort and time into the map than originally planned I would understand if the original release plans have changed.

 

Cowboy10uk

[WildBillKelsoe]

Since you're Arab, I don't think you can expect [place name of an arabic country here] Mig-21s invading the U.S. and engaging retired F-4s over Nevada, not in the foreseable future at least.

Although if you were American or European, you could expect a number of active airframes (A-10, F-16 etc.) taking part in a multinational war exercise called Red Flag. That takes pace in Nevada, yearly.

 

I know Red Flag but an entire map just for Red Flag??? Why not Iraq? So its like A-10C is your bone here guys... Nevada is the complete meat...

 

Anyways, many more like me don't share the vision with ED and would appreciate more focus on new modules rather than maps. This is why I joined the boat.

[Abburo]

Nevada is the biggest step forward just because it will introduce a new graphic engine. Should we rant this so much asking for historical/real events, or other non related 6DOF, flight models and so on?

 

Let's see how will looks and works this new engine on our PCs and only then we will be able to send a feedback. I do trust that ED have some skilled people there which know what they are doing.

[Cibit]

I honestly think going off the size of the first Nevada that it will be big enough to portray desert ops without too much imagination.

Also once EDGE is finally integrated with DCSW the technology and tools should exist to enable more maps to be produced by both ED and 3rd parties at a faster rate than is current. Well I hope;)

[TurboHog]

Use your imagination.

 

Just like BI devs did when they came up with the fictional conflict in Arma 3.

[The_Pharoah]

*sigh*

instead of wasting time designing the casinos at las vegas...I would've preferred they devote their time to making a map of afghanistan or something.

[siipperi]

I know Red Flag but an entire map just for Red Flag??? Why not Iraq? So its like A-10C is your bone here guys... Nevada is the complete meat...

 

Anyways, many more like me don't share the vision with ED and would appreciate more focus on new modules rather than maps. This is why I joined the boat.

 

This havebeen discussed hundreds of times and you should know the reasons. We all would like to get some middle-east map, but this map have been in dev. multiple years and I and many others would like it to be finished instead just abandoning it now.

[Abburo]

They (ED) will never manage satisfy everybody... casino designs... I love them and I bearly wait flying the Huey around them.

[Silver_Dragon]

I think the new map building has a work to Partners (Normandy RRG Studios) and 3rd parties (expected see Afghanistan and Vladivostok map teams rebirth). ED need continue working to release / improve EDGE engine and building the necessary stuff to test new features.

[Rogue Trooper]

Mountains look superb, a chopper pilots dream...

Please please let those trees be solid!!!

 

Looks like war is coming to Las Vegas and Nevada

[DD_Fenrir]

*sigh*

instead of wasting time designing the casinos at las vegas...I would've preferred they devote their time to making a map of afghanistan or something.

 

Maybe it might have something to do with having a map that's useful beyond DCS platform, considering that DCS: A-10C was a commercial off-shoot of a military grade sim....

 

It seems quite apparent - to me at least - that the original pre-EDGE Nevada Beta map that was around was being built not for DCS world but primarily for the military sim and to be used in the training of A-10C pilots in an environment that they'll be familiar with; we DCS fellows were simply going to be beneficiaries of that.

 

Now given that originally beta buyer-ins of DCS: A-10C - that includes me btw - were told that Nevada would be part of final release, we paid on that knowledge, AFAIAA ED are therefore legally obligated to provide this map to us pre-release buyers.

 

So long standing legal obligation + military customer = Nevada.

 

Don't like it? Don't bloomin by it. Simple.

 

Want another map? Wait. Simple.

 

And WildBill, the team developing maps is a different entity from that making aircraft modules, so the two are pretty exclusive, integration aside. And if you want new maps in the future some learning has to be done in integrating EDGE maps to DCS.

 

So look upon Nevada as the first proving exercise in a process that will eventually bring us WW2 theatre and more - if the idea of any ED employee working on something so horribly irrelevant still causes you such ire.

 

Of course we could just tell them to throw away 4 years work and start over. I'm sure that would be very constructive.

Edited January 12, 2014 by DD_Fenrir

[Pilotasso]

The new shot with the aircraft parked in rows and the city leaves me salivating for this.

[upupandaway]

Use your imagination.

 

Just like BI devs did when they came up with the fictional conflict in Arma 3.

 

Let´s just hope the ED devs won´t ever get locked up for their work on the maps like it happened in the case of BI ^^

Tha might slow down their progress.

 

There is something in several screenshots that looks a little like Ambient Occlusion (unless it´s been baked into the textures).

Edited January 12, 2014 by upupandaway

[WildBillKelsoe]

 

And WildBill, the team developing maps is a different entity from that making aircraft modules, so the two are pretty exclusive, integration aside. And if you want new maps in the future some learning has to be done in integrating EDGE maps to DCS.

 

So look upon Nevada as the first proving exercise in a process that will eventually bring us WW2 theatre and more - if the idea of any ED employee working on something so horribly irrelevant still causes you such ire.

 

Of course we could just tell them to throw away 4 years work and start over. I'm sure that would be very constructive.

 

I did not complain that Nevada is reaching a final. My beef is that I've been waiting 3 years now (2011) since A-10C release for a new modern aircraft.

And it just pisses me off that instead of finishing older products (A-10C for instance, today I booted 1.1.1.1 and 1.2.7 and the CBU-87's still *cuk up my FPS once popped.)

 

Another thing:

 

P-51D, bought and tested a year and half ago, still can't engage in multiplayer or singleplayer dogfights without FPS drop by cannon fire.

 

A third thing:

 

UH-1H released without the 2 crown jewels: multiplayer gunner positions and sling loading (albeit one can pretend sling loading works by PeterP's fixes and workarounds, but they should be there alright).

 

 

My one and only consolation is Beczl's Mig-21 Bis which is coming soon after almost 2 years of wait and he did a wise job of postponing release till he made sure that even a 4 year old child on his Dad's lap would mumble something as simple as "Dad, I want this", just by revising his product. That doesn't mean it will be perfect (or would it) upon release, it means the product is 99% complete and we help him squash the 1% bugs.

 

Add to that talkers hooking along like the F-35 and Iris and you can tell that ED is trying to distract us while they finish their agenda. I don't like to be fooled. I am straight and I expect the person reading this to be straight as I am. Besides, I am already getting bored of FSX and now considering X-plane 10 for a change while ED starts going back to the good old times of releasing D C S HiFi modules. I hope.

 

And I do not care about Nevada or those who anticipate their beta returns. I just want a new aircraft with 95% systems like the A-10C so I can feel the whiff of DCS again. It's a study sim afterall.

 

 

/Signing off

 

WBK

[Grigs]

Mirage is mispelled. :D

 

Lazduc....course I am from Nevada.

 

On a sidenote, I was expecting it written as "M2000" :) (or any other version :D)

 

Quick question: Will Nevada be a free update or a module that has to be bought? I do not remember any information about it. But I have not really active either so...

Edited January 12, 2014 by Grigs

[SkateZilla]

As someone asked earlier, is this in-game images or model viewer?

 

Since he said they are preparing the Code for EDGE, I'd Assume this is still the terrain viewer.

[Raven68]

Quick question: Will Nevada be a free update or a module that has to be bought? I do not remember any information about it. But I have not really active either so...

 

This may be a bit outdated but....

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1660812&postcount=1430

 

A few items to reiterate:

 

1- Much of the Nevada map is done, but aspects of it could certainly change between now and release.

 

2- The original effort was done by a third party, but for various reasons, that effort did not work out and the Eagle team basically had to re-start it from scratch.

 

3- Due to the massive number of ground objects, elevation mesh detail, and texture sizes, a new image generator (IG) had to to be created in order to run it at more than single digit frame rates. Creating a new IG is a huge undertaking and it takes a lot of time. More so than anything else, this has been the reason behind the delay.

 

4- There has been no change in our plan to make this map available for free to those that purchased the A-10C beta.

 

5- Given the nature of the map, I would imagine that most missions will revolve around training, but certainly large Red Flag type campaigns are also possible.

 

6- We have no ETA at this time.

 

When there is a change to any of the above, there will be official news of it.

[joey45]

Quick question: Will Nevada be a free update or a module that has to be bought? I do not remember any information about it. But I have not really active either so...

 

If you brought into the Beta [DCS: A10C pre purchase] then it's free otherwise it's payware.

 

*Sniped*