silverdevil Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 ED is giving more EA miles for the delay as a gesture. Quote As a token of our appreciation for your pre-orders, we are increasing your pre-order ED miles up to 8,500. i hope "George" is not as big of of an imbecile as me 2 AKA_SilverDevil AKA Forums My YouTube “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.” — Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Better late than buggy. 8 1 VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants -- this is how I fly. We do not fly at treetop height, we fly between trees(TM) YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc9BDi-STaqgWsjNiHbW0fA My simple missions: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/284071-vr-flight-guy-in-pj-pants-simple-missions/ NSRI - National Strategy Research Institution, a fictional organisation based on wordplay of Strategic Naval Research Institution (SNRI), a fictional institution appears in Mobile Suit Gundam UC timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaakov Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Only thing that I not okay with is that they started collecting money and hyping with videos and then failed to deliver. If they said it in the beginning of the october and started preorder now it would be whole different story. Its obvious that they actually knew, because of only one wags video posted after preorder trailer... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgillers3 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Bummer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sr. Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Thanks ED for the pre-order miles upgrade! 3 Ryzen 7 5800X3D | 64GB DDR4 3600| MSI RTX 4080 16GB Ventus 3X OC | Samsung 970 Evo 2TB NVME | HP Reverb G2 | DIY Head Tracker Cap | Logitech X-56 throttle | VKB NXT Premium | Win 11 "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --Arthur C Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 I just hope George will be voiced by then, instead of having to rely on flying text that you might not even see, especially in VR... Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Gigabyte RX6900XT | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | HP Reverb G2 Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2+3 base / CM2 x2 grip with 200 mm S-curve extension + CM3 throttle + CP2/3 + FSSB R3L + VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS "HIGH" preset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_sukebe Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Looking forward to it. If it takes a little longer, that’s ok 1 System: 9700, 64GB DDR4, 2070S, NVME2, Rift S, Jetseat, Thrustmaster F18 grip, VPC T50 stick base and throttle, CH Throttle, MFG crosswinds, custom button box, Logitech G502 and Marble mouse. Server: i5 2500@3.9Ghz, 1080, 24GB DDR3, SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FELIX2013BRASIL Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 And perfectly acceptable. In real life these dates are always longer. See the Brazilian Air Force (FAB) Saab F-39E Gripen fighter. This project started in 2014, and only now(24-11-2021) the first 4 aircraft (Saab F-39E Gripen) have been delivered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 27, 2021 ED Team Share Posted November 27, 2021 Guys, please keep the criticism mature and constructive, I know this is disappointing, but it has happened, and we have to roll with it. The AH-64D will be worth the wait. If you can't post in a respectful manner, we will have to hand out points. If you are that upset, take a break and post later. Thanks. 4 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said: I just hope George will be voiced by then, instead of having to rely on flying text that you might not even see, especially in VR... I wouldnt expect it, they need to finalize everything with the AI, then record all the commands, it will be during EA no doubt. 7 hours ago, Jaakov said: Only thing that I not okay with is that they started collecting money and hyping with videos and then failed to deliver. If they said it in the beginning of the october and started preorder now it would be whole different story. Its obvious that they actually knew, because of only one wags video posted after preorder trailer... And we understand that, hence the extra ED miles, but things happen, and problems develop, we won't release it in a state people would deem unacceptable. 9 2 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirut Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 I ended up getting a refund from Steam on my Apache pre-order today - and then bought the Tomcat - just a few hours before I read about the delay. Serendipitous, I guess. It just hit me with the last video(s) about the Apache that it was going to be a very complicated module. I have no doubt it will be excellently crafted, but my brain can't handle a helicopter with an A-10C II level of complexity, which is what this thing looks like. That's just beyond my mental snack bracket. My heart belongs to the Ka-50 and will surely be stolen by the BS3. But I'll try the Apache in the free trial and see if I can wrap my head around it. There's no question is looks freakin' cool. 2 1 Some of the planes, but all of the maps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom453 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 This is an EXTREMELY disappointing announcement, especially as release was eagerly anticipated before the holidays. However, IMHO, it is COMPLETELY the right decision by ED and one built on bitter experience. ED have provided a list of specific functionality/ features for Early Access release and another list for module completion. The Early Access list provides features that will provide players with a fun and flyable AH-64 at initial release. This will be followed by further, more complex features, weapons and module refinement. To jump the gun and go early when this list of EA features are not ready (in particular the AI) would be to do the whole F-16 release all over again, and make it unenjoyable for everyone! The AH-64 module is a complex aircraft which will require two pilots or one pilot and a clever AI to fly/ operate it. Imagine if they did release it with a George AI who was basically bat-sh*t crazy! Not doing stuff he was supposed to, repeatedly crashing into things, not identifying targets, not engaging, trying to fire through buildings et. etc. It would be pointless and people would lose their lolly big time! ED want this released just as much as we do, but they want it done right, just as we do. Unfortunate but necessary. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enduro14 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 All good, Make the Apache release the best ever, sure be cool for the holidays but honestly in my case I’ll be away from dcs. Happy programming to the devs and please take the time with family and enjoy your holidays. Crom 4 Intel 8700k @5ghz, 32gb ram, 1080ti, Rift S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Its been what, 25 years since Jane's Longbow 2? I think we can wait another month to get it right 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotdognz Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Quite happy to wait for this to cook a little longer, thanks for the gift of the miles for the delay, used to purchase the Mirage, a great gesture from ED for eveyone who pre purchased. TBH id be happy with the new weather content teased in the Dec update 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 I can wait. By that time may be the Komodo’s cyclic and collective will be out also. 1 PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorBrasil Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, NineLine said: Guys, please keep the criticism mature and constructive, I know this is disappointing, but it has happened, and we have to roll with it. The AH-64D will be worth the wait. If you can't post in a respectful manner, we will have to hand out points. If you are that upset, take a break and post later. Thanks. I wouldnt expect it, they need to finalize everything with the AI, then record all the commands, it will be during EA no doubt. And we understand that, hence the extra ED miles, but things happen, and problems develop, we won't release it in a state people would deem unacceptable. Good Night @NineLine! I pre-ordered on Steam. Will I receive miles on the website? ED made the right decision! If it's not ready, it's better to postpone the launch. The important thing is that Apache will be released on DCS. Edited November 27, 2021 by ThorBrasil |Motherboard|: Asus TUF Gaming X570-PLUS, |WaterCooler|: Corsair H115i Pro, |CPU|: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X, |RAM|: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200MHz DDR4, |SSD|: Kingston A2000 500GB M.2 NVMe, |SSD|: Kingston 2.5´ 480GB UV400 SATA III, |SSHD|: Seagate Híbrido 2TB 7200RPM SATA III, |GPU|: MSI Gaming 980Ti, |Monitor|: LG UltraWide 34UM68, |Joystick 1|: Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog, |Joystick 2|: T.Flight Rudder Pedals, |Head Motion|: TrackIr 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted November 27, 2021 ED Team Share Posted November 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, ThorBrasil said: pre-ordered on Steam. Will I receive miles on the website? Sadly this is not possible. 2 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 27, 2021 ED Team Share Posted November 27, 2021 18 minutes ago, ThorBrasil said: Good Night @NineLine! I pre-ordered on Steam. Will I receive miles on the website? ED made the right decision! If it's not ready, it's better to postpone the launch. The important thing is that Apache will be released on DCS. No, I am so sorry, if I could I would move everyone over to the standalone, I do get why people use Steam, heck I have 152 games on it, but we just cant do the cool things with ED Miles that we can on the standalone. I will ask if there is anything we could do, but we are somewhat limited by Valve I am afraid. 5 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerzone Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) Would refunding on steam and buying direct be a work around to this? Just a thought. FWIW, I personally prefer to buy direct so 100% off my purchase ends up in the hands of the devs and not a %age going to a middle man anyway, but that’s personal preference. ED do a great job and I try to support them as best I can. Edited November 27, 2021 by Dangerzone 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowtex Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) Too bad, but I can personally wait another month (or more) for polishing of the AI and other stuff. Wouldn’t want George to go postal on the maiden voyage with this advanced bird Regarding the miles, I understand from the newsletter that anyone who bought the stand-alone version of the AH-64 module, will get their miles topped up to 8,500. Well, I did and the module is showing up as bought on my profile page but my miles are still showing ‘0’. Did I misunderstand the newsletter or…? Edited November 27, 2021 by Flowtex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smegal86 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 What if we used ED miles to part pay for the product? Will we receive the additional miles? I know it doesn’t usually attract miles in itself but I am still waiting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, razo+r said: That was so expected to be honest. Their first planned dates are 99% of the times never achieved. That's true. Young padawans learning now how its going here . Edited November 27, 2021 by YoYo 4 Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorBrasil Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: Sadly this is not possible. 2 hours ago, NineLine said: No, I am so sorry, if I could I would move everyone over to the standalone, I do get why people use Steam, heck I have 152 games on it, but we just cant do the cool things with ED Miles that we can on the standalone. I will ask if there is anything we could do, but we are somewhat limited by Valve I am afraid. thanks for answering! one idea would be to give a discount coupon on Steam for the next purchase. It's just an idea! Of course the coupon would be equivalent to 8,500 miles. Thanks! Edited November 27, 2021 by ThorBrasil 1 |Motherboard|: Asus TUF Gaming X570-PLUS, |WaterCooler|: Corsair H115i Pro, |CPU|: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X, |RAM|: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200MHz DDR4, |SSD|: Kingston A2000 500GB M.2 NVMe, |SSD|: Kingston 2.5´ 480GB UV400 SATA III, |SSHD|: Seagate Híbrido 2TB 7200RPM SATA III, |GPU|: MSI Gaming 980Ti, |Monitor|: LG UltraWide 34UM68, |Joystick 1|: Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog, |Joystick 2|: T.Flight Rudder Pedals, |Head Motion|: TrackIr 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nawarren Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Just seen ED have given me 8500 miles ($8.50) for delay in release of Apache, as a good will gesture. I'm impressed, very nice of them. Really good customer service. I think I will put this towards buying the JF-17, whilst on sale. Thank you ED, nice touch. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daemon1808 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 27 minutes ago, ThorBrasil said: thanks for answering! one idea would be to give a discount coupon on Steam for the next purchase. It's just an idea! Of course the coupon would be equivalent to 8,500 miles. Thanks! Yep, I think Steam hace discount coupons that can be applied to some particular products even (i.e: DCS mods) This way, It could be equivalent to the standalone good will gesture and ED can get some aditional unexpected purchases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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